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Dinner Party Conversation Is Best When Spread Around

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | September 13th, 2015 | Letter 1 of 3

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Over the years, I have been at a dinner table when the person on my right is speaking with the person on their right; the person on my left is speaking with the person on their left; and the people across from me are engaged in their own conversation.

I don't consider that anyone is being rude; it is just happenstance.

I do not know what I should do in this circumstance. I put a pleasant to mildly happy look on my face and attend to my dinner, but feel I either look foolish to those sitting at other areas of the table who see my situation and wonder why I have that strange look on my face, or just plain seem pathetic. In other words, I am very uncomfortable. Any recommendations you have for these situations would be greatly appreciated.

GENTLE READER: Yes, but no one would listen. There is an etiquette rule specifically designed to prevent this awkwardness, but it was laughed at, dismissed as being "artificial" and, by now, probably forgotten.

The rule is that every other person at the table begins by talking to the person on his or her right. Halfway through the meal, the hostess is supposed to "turn the table," signaling that it is time for every second person to turn left.

Ignoring the rule, expressly intended to correct the problem of "happenstance," did not solve it, as you have discovered. So the best you can do is to lean in one direction, hoping to catch a few words so that you can enter the conversation, or to concentrate on chasing your peas around your plate.

Miss Manners is pleased to know that you maintain the properly cheerful expression. Should anyone stare at you, you should shrug your shoulders to signify coping with a situation with which they are probably only too familiar.

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Use Two Lines To Address Couples With Different Names

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | September 13th, 2015 | Letter 2 of 3

DEAR MISS MANNERS: How should formal letters be addressed to married gay couples?

GENTLE READER: Using two lines to address two people is such a simple solution that Miss Manners is surprised at the frequency of this question, whether in regard to opposite-sex couples with different surnames or professional titles, or same-sex couples.

However, when the latter share a surname, you may save a line by addressing them as The Messrs. (or Mmes.) Casey and Kelly Oglevy.

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Ailing Co-Worker Deserves visit From Woman Carrying Grudge

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | September 13th, 2015 | Letter 3 of 3

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I have a co-worker who has been in the hospital for weeks. We have just found out that she has Stage 4 cancer. I have not been to see her, as everyone else in the company has.

I am a member of management. I know I should go and visit.

I do, however, have some underlying reasons for not going. Last October, my husband was seriously ill in the hospital for three months. No one came to visit, not even the owner of the company for whom I have worked for 21 years. Another issue is that when my in-laws passed 14 years ago, no one offered condolences.

Should I just be the bigger person and let it go, and go visit her?

GENTLE READER: Yes. Now that you know how hurtful that behavior is, Miss Manners is surprised that you would consider adopting it.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Universal Uclick, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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Chummy Wait Staff Is Simply to Be Endured

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | September 10th, 2015 | Letter 1 of 3

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I have to reveal a pet peeve: Waiters and waitresses who ask questions of my dining party such as, "Are we ready to order?" and, "Did we save room for dessert?"

This inclusive questioning seems to occur at both casual and high-end restaurants. Do you agree that this is poor form? Is it appropriate to mention this annoyance to the server? I am a former waitress and a generous tipper!

GENTLE READER: That wait staff use odd phrases and strange terminology may unfortunately be a mandate coming from the establishment itself (or its focus groups), and not the individual.

Miss Manners supposes that the inclusive questioning you describe is in keeping with the unfortunate trend of servers attempting to be the customers' friends, and not their temporary employees. She agrees that the tone is condescending and has the opposite effect.

However, as a former waitress, how would you have reacted to a patron's pointing out these little annoyances -- particularly if they are a job requirement? Please save your complaints for the bigger transgressions and try to endure.

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Couple's Dinner Invitation doesn't Include Their Child

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | September 10th, 2015 | Letter 2 of 3

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I have become friendly at church with a gay couple who moved into the area. They have a 4-year-old child who is always with them at parties and events where they are in attendance.

I like this couple and want to invite them to my home. I entertain a lot and quite formally. Would it be rude to ask them not to bring their child?

GENTLE READER: Not if you phrase it correctly. "We would love to have the two of you over at a dinner party." And they are properly referred to as "a couple," not "a gay couple."

If they balk at leaving their child, Miss Manners authorizes you to continue: "I'm afraid it won't be interesting for Madeleine -- and our house isn't really equipped for a child. But you are new here, and I'm sure that we could help introduce you to some wonderful baby sitters in town."

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Children Playing In Park Are not Fair Game For Photographers

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | September 10th, 2015 | Letter 3 of 3

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Is it acceptable behavior for strangers to come up on a family in a park and take pictures on their phones of the children playing?

My sister-in-law just told me that twice now, she has had various people come up to their family gathering and start taking pictures of her children while they play.

This seems rude -- am I wrong? My brother's family is a large one, nine children, and they do play very energetically and creatively, but still, it seems weird. Since when!?

GENTLE READER: Since society decided that everyone wants free publicity.

Miss Manners begs to differ. While technically legal if it is done is in a public place, taking pictures of children that are not one's own is extremely rude -- and potentially dangerous.

Your sister-in-law would do well to stop these photographers by saying, "May I help you?" while blocking the shot and telling the children to go off and play. Perhaps their idea of play will be to exercise their own photographic rights by taking pictures of the offending strangers.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Universal Uclick, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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You Can Eat the Soup Bowl, Or Not

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | September 8th, 2015 | Letter 1 of 3

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Edible dinnerware seems to be newly popular, and I am not sure how to handle it. When I ordered clam chowder, it was served in a hollowed-out mini loaf of sourdough bread.

Do I assume that the establishment has run out of regular bowls and not eat the bowl? Which is what I did, as there was sourdough bread served on the side. Digging into the empty bowl at the table did not seem quite proper.

GENTLE READER: You will forgive Miss Manners for the patient smile she develops when told of a modern trend. In medieval times, trenchers, flat rounds of bread, were used as plates. The custom was to give them to the poor after the meal when they (the bread, not the poor) were soaked with juices.

Nowadays, this would not be considered an attractive (or sanitary) form of philanthropy. However, it is reasonable to assume that a trendy restaurant has no intention of washing and reusing your edible soup bowl. You may therefore eat it, or not, as you wish.

Miss Manners shares your confusion at the redundancy of serving bread on the side, but perhaps the restaurant is trying to accommodate both those who like their bread soggy and those who do not.

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Let The Dead Rest In Peace without Being Sent Emails

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | September 8th, 2015 | Letter 2 of 3

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Twice in the past month, I've been sent emails with lists of recipients that include people who have recently died -- one an invitation to lunch, and another to advise that a high school classmate had died.

In both cases, it was clear from the email's content that the sender knew that the recipients were dead. I was especially horrified to see that the one regarding the classmate who died was sent to the dead classmate (along with around 100 other people).

Is sending email to a dead person to advise the person that he has died appropriate? Would it be more appropriate to cc: the deceased in the event that the surviving family might see and appreciate the email? Would it be appropriate for me to contact the sender(s) and suggest that this is in poor taste?

GENTLE READER: Indeed, Miss Manners agrees that the dead should be allowed the courtesy of resting in peace without being bombarded with emails.

It would be rude of you to correct the sender's manners, so we shall have to call it an oversight, as if it were not an unforgivable one, considering the content of the missive. Then you would simply write suggesting that under the circumstances, these people's names should be removed from the list.

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Declining Family Invitation doesn't Require A Reason

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | September 8th, 2015 | Letter 3 of 3

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Do I need to provide a reason why I am not attending my sister's wedding?

GENTLE READER: Your sister already knows the reason, and so does the rest of the family. Miss Manners considers it best to decline gracefully without mentioning whatever unpleasantness -- or difficult personal circumstances -- prevent you from attending.

Actually, excuses are never needed in declining invitations, and only lead to trouble. When they are legitimate, hosts may not consider them more important than their events, and when they are fake, they are bound to be found out.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Universal Uclick, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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