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Texting a Marriage Proposal Is Not Recommended

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | August 12th, 2012

DEAR MISS MANNERS: In the past year, two male friends whom I have known for many years proposed marriage to me. I turned them both down due to the fact that both asked me in a text message.

Miss Manners, when did asking for a woman's hand in marriage become so impersonal? I frankly felt offended that neither was willing to ask me in person on one knee.

One of the previously mentioned men I would love to marry. He is a great guy who has been there for me through thick and thin for seven years going on eight, and we work very well together. I'm 27 years old and still think that if a man is going to ask for a woman's hand in marriage, he should at least talk to her father about it and get permission to ask. Am I being too old-fashioned in this thought?

GENTLE READER: Or perhaps not old-fashioned enough. The showy, on-one-knee proposal is a modern standard, derived from cartoon ideas of Victorian proposals. Old-fashioned gentlemen were not absolutely required to propose from the floor.

Nor did they text. Miss Manners agrees that texting, which is a lightweight way of conveying instant thoughts, is unsuitable. That you have captivated two gentlemen who thought this would charm you is alarming.

Nevertheless, one of them is someone you want to marry. Seven years through thick and thin, and that's it?

Would you accept a compromise between the overly casual and the overly contrived? That would be the dignified statement that he loves you and wants to spend his life with you, followed by the simple (but, from the right person, thrilling) question of whether you will marry him. To prompt that, you could text (because this would not be a formal communication), "If you have an important question to ask me, I would be glad to listen."

As for first asking a father's permission, that comes to us from a time when the father had the option of refusing. His daughter would wear him down eventually, of course, but permission was seriously required. And the answer often came only after a thorough financial grilling of the suitor, because he would be expected to assume the sole financial support of his wife that her father had been supplying.

Miss Manners is guessing that this does not describe your situation. The form of asking permission, like that of a father giving away the bride, can be retained as a charming anachronism, but only after the lady both consents and warns her father. You wouldn't want him to ask to see the young man's portfolio, and you certainly wouldn't want him to say, "But I thought she was seeing Zachary."

DEAR MISS MANNERS: What is the correct sequence of courses in a meal?

GENTLE READER: (1) oysters, (2) soup, (3) fish, (4) roast meat, (5) vegetables, (6) game, (7) salad, (8) creamed or frozen sweet dessert, (9) cheese, (10) fruit, (11) chocolates or wafers served with coffee.

This is Miss Manners' abbreviated list from what used to be considered a proper dinner. You are welcome to pare it down even more, if you don't mind your guests' foraging in your refrigerator afterward, but please keep the correct order.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Universal Uclick, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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Uninvited Crawling Guests Can Be Handled With Humor

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | August 9th, 2012

DEAR MISS MANNERS: We had a small cocktail party, and although we are clean-freaks who run a spotless household, it is sometimes impossible to avoid the large bugs that live in North Texas. As the guests were sitting around my living room, a very large cockroach crawled across the wall. Everyone noticed, and they were visibly grossed out, though they tried to be polite.

I was absolutely mortified. I very quickly grabbed it with a tissue, moved the food away from that area, and offered everyone another drink. But at that point, I felt like everyone's skin was crawling. Mine certainly was.

What is the correct response to a situation like this? Is there anything that can be said or done to lighten the mood and make everyone comfortable?

GENTLE READER: How about: "Oh, dear, I meant to keep the pets locked up while you were here. Alfred knows he is not supposed to be in the living room, but he has a weird sense of humor."

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I built a guest cottage across the deck from my house. It has a private bathroom, but guests currently share the main house kitchen. (At some point I hope to be able to afford putting a kitchenette in the cabin.)

Some of my visitors are there especially to see me, and others because it is a nice independent place to stay in a popular destination, which is fine with me, as those I would have there would be people I like even if I'm not going to see much of them.

I am not a morning person and am accustomed to living alone. I don't mind having a guest around while we are having our morning tea or coffee, but on my days off, I really appreciate quiet time to read the paper, meditate, do tai chi or whatever for a couple of hours before having to engage in conversation.

Is there a polite way to discourage much interaction (or to put a more positive spin, encourage quiet companionship) in the morning beyond a pleasant greeting? If I could figure this out, I would be happier to have my guests stay an extended period, more than the couple of days when I feel I really need my space if I haven't been able follow my usual comfortable routines.

Second question, but less pressing: Is there a way to gently hint to people to clean up after themselves?

GENTLE READER: You are being far too gentle for a good host. Good guests want to fall into the household routine -- if only they can guess what it is.

Someone who is chatting you up while you are trying to read the paper may have preferred to sleep late, but feels obliged to be sociable. Some may have agonized over whether cleaning up before leaving means remaking the bed so that it looks neat (but has used sheets) or just piling up the laundry.

Miss Manners urges you to orient them as part of your welcome. "Sleep as late as you like," you could say. "I'm up early, but not really sociable until late morning. However, there will be coffee and tea in the kitchen whenever you want it." You can't direct guests to clean up, but on the last day of their visit, you can put a set of clean sheets in the guest room and hope.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Universal Uclick, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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Wife Accepts Husband's Bisexuality, but Others Don't

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | August 7th, 2012

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My husband was recently found in a compromising situation with a male co-worker at an office party.

I'm well aware that my husband is bisexual, and I don't mind that he occasionally sleeps with men. The problem is, we live in a small town, and people keep telling me I must feel terrible, how could he do something so disgusting, etc.

I know they mean well, but my husband and I are very happy together, and I don't appreciate these comments. How can I get them to mind their own business without being rude?

GENTLE READER: By saying quietly, "He is my husband, and I will not listen to a word against him."

With any luck, you will shock your sympathizers into silence -- at least in your presence. They will continue to gossip about your husband, as Miss Manners is sure that you must be aware. Nothing that you can say will prevent that.

But they will add to their unwanted expressions of sympathy for you that you are acting nobly -- too nobly for some of them, no doubt, but nobly all the same. And the best part is that you will not have to listen to any of it.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: We invited friends over to dinner, a couple and their several children. We, too, have a large family.

Since we abstain from eating animal and animal by-products due to health and ethical reasons, I made a Mexican dinner that all my children love, quadrupling the recipe to be sure there was plenty for all.

When I was almost finished preparing the meal, in the presence of this family, one of the parents grabbed our phone and made a cheese pizza delivery order for their children. When the doorbell rang, that parent answered the door and paid for the order.

I am wondering if it was rude of us not to jump up and pay for the pizza, since they were our guests and it was our job to make them comfortable. I know we would not eat animal products offered to us as food if we had been invited to dinner.

The adult guests repeatedly raved about how much they enjoyed the dinner I made. Thoughts?

GENTLE READER: Only that it is good that the grown-ups liked the meal you prepared. If not, they might have ordered a catered meal from their favorite restaurant, and the cost of making them comfortable, if you got to the door first, would have been considerable.

At a time when many people expect their guests to provide refreshments, Miss Manners is grateful that you worry about providing for yours. But you did. You prepared them a meal you thought would please them all.

But guests also have obligations, and they did not meet theirs. That they were rude enough to show you that the meal did not please them all is not surprising in people who did not teach manners to their children. You are not responsible for their rudeness or their debts.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Universal Uclick, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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