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Allow People to Pronounce Their Names Any Way They Choose

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | February 16th, 2012

DEAR MISS MANNERS: This is a problem for the cosmopolitan multiethnic set:

I am a multilingual person who has lived in four continents, only recently back in the United States. In the U.S., I frequently meet first-generation Americans who mispronounce their own names. This is, of course, part of the American ethnic experience, where minorities with complicated names simply adjust and butcher their monikers for the majority's comfort.

As someone who can speak the relevant languages and thus know how to say the names properly, do I refer to these persons as their names should be said? Or do I defer to the majority, and distort the names as they do?

This is complicated, additionally, by the fact that, if a first-generation person has a strong American accent, sometimes he/she genuinely cannot pronounce the name that his/her parents bestowed. Does etiquette explain what is helpful and what is obnoxious in this instance?

GENTLE READER: Etiquette does indeed consider it obnoxious to mispronounce people's names deliberately. That is what you would be doing if you did not use the pronunciation that the holder of the name uses.

Miss Manners wonders how you imagine it might be helpful. That upon hearing this, a new acquaintance would run home and say, "Pa, you've been saying our name wrong"?

What you can do is to say something nice about the name and then comment on how it would be said in its country of origin. But she suggests caution -- surely as a linguist, you are aware that pronunciations vary over time and by region.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I am an independent mom who has not dated, nor introduced my daughter to, a man of interest in my life. I'm currently seeing a man I'd like to attempt getting to know better.

We've known each other for three years and have been "having fun" for the past two. Things are beginning to get a bit more serious, and I feel that it's time to involve my daughter.

What is the right time/way to do this? We aren't in a "relationship" per se; we're just getting to know each other better. But I feel he has to know her, and her him, before we can really get serious.

Do I introduce him as a friend? I worry that it will send the wrong message if she sees us in a "loving" way later. I'm probably overanalyzing this, but this is a very big step for me, and I want to be sure I do it right, and send my daughter the right message. He also has a son he sees every other weekend that I'll ask the same advice on.

GENTLE READER: Putting aside the issue of "having fun" (which Miss Manners doesn't need to know any more than your daughter does), two people are respectably known as friends unless they should become engaged or otherwise go public as a couple.

That sometimes happens, as it is safe for your daughter to know. Becoming friends before proceeding to courtship is even a good lesson for her to learn. If and when you and the gentleman decide to become a serious couple, you can explain that to her. Before, it would be discreet to keep the "loving" or "fun" part of your friendship private.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Universal Uclick, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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Declare Your Love With Enthusiasm, Not Demands

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | February 14th, 2012

DEAR MISS MANNERS: If your boyfriend has asked me to marry him several years ago, and he has yet to make a move and set a date -- what do you think would be a polite way to tell him that I love him, but I need this relationship to go forward? I do not want to end it. I just want to remarry and have children.

GENTLE READER: There seems to be some confusion here. Absent-minded as she may be, Miss Manners is pretty sure that she would remember if she had a beau who had asked you to marry him. She probably would have thought about sending you a silver tea service.

Pronoun trouble aside, she does not know of a formula for speeding marriage, now that fathers with shotguns are scarce. But she believes that stating one's needs is less apt to inspire enthusiasm than the declaration that one is so passionately in love as to be impatient to be united forever.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I'm a very well mannered young lady in south Fla. & was wondering how I can tell successful men that keeping their hands to theirself & not kissing etc. is not acceptable! I am mid-western raised with very high morals. I'm wondering (in a nice way) to tell them they aren't being appropriate! I would love to find a book about manners & just give it to them!

GENTLE READER: Folks, can we do some proofreading here?

Miss Manners chooses to believe that you are a young lady of very high morals deploring those who do not keep their hands to themselves and go in for unauthorized kissing, not that you meant to say that you are of low morals and deplore those who refrain.

In the former case, the words you need are, "How dare you!" In the latter case, Miss Manners cannot advise you.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My boyfriend's mother makes it a point to intrude into our lives, and I am not sure how we can manage this. My boyfriend is a very filial son and will plan his dates with me to accommodate his mother's schedule.

When I call my boyfriend in the evenings to have a chat, she will pick up the handset and tell me that it is late and that my boyfriend needs to sleep -- this while the two of us are conducting a conversation.

My boyfriend will never stand up to his mother's controlling instincts. Although I love him, I am beginning to have doubts about the relationship, as I cannot imagine a life with a mother-in-law dictating everything to my husband and him following her instructions to the letter. I've asked him why is he so submissive, and his reply was, "She is my mother."

Is there a polite and effective way to let my boyfriend's mother know that her actions are inappropriate, or should I call it quits with him?

GENTLE READER: If you start criticizing the gentleman's mother, especially on behavior to which he has no objection, you won't need to call it quits with him. Miss Manners is sure that they will be able to manage that between them.

However, she is puzzled at your attitude. If you believe that it is wrong to attempt to dictate behavior to an adult, why do you propose doing it yourself?

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Universal Uclick, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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Choose Your Own Engagement Ring? Good Luck With That

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | February 12th, 2012

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Is it appropriate for the woman to pick out the style of engagement/wedding ring that she has to wear on her finger for the rest of her life? Or should the man pick it out without any hint?

The ring could be ugly or not suit her personality. It will save her the pain of having to wear an ugly ring and be secretly unhappy about it, right?

GENTLE READER: You make a sensible point -- one that hasn't a chance of being implemented.

That is because of the modern invention of the Mandatory Surprise Proposal. It is now obligatory for a young gentleman in this situation to plan an elaborate scene in an exotic place, designed to shock and surprise a lady with whom he has probably been living and debating marriage for years, by falling to his knees, whipping out a diamond ring and blurting out a proposal. He is supposed to have a photographer hidden nearby to record her amazement.

But (Miss Manners hears you ask) isn't this the old-fashioned way, charmingly revived?

Not exactly. True, it has been a staple of cartoons for many years. But as old-fashioned gentlemen tended to lack the intimate courtship opportunities of today, marriage proposals were not mere formalities, and the surprise was sometimes in the response. Unless he had a family ring to offer, a suitor would be foolhardy to invest in jewelry before being sure of obtaining the hand.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Last night I went out partying with some fellow graduate students and got inebriated. I overheard the woman giving me a ride say at the event that she hates it when people get drunk and act stupid.

I am sure I did and said stupid things around her. I don't know her very well and won't see her again for several months. Should I contact her to apologize for my behavior?

GENTLE READER: You mean that you did not fall all over yourself with apologies in your letter of thanks?

Oh. You mean you never thanked her, beyond what you may have mumbled drunkenly when you stumbled out of her car.

It is not only for the sake of manners that Miss Manners urges you to write a profuse letter immediately. Do you really want to risk running into your benefactor at another party, and guessing what she is quietly saying to another guest when she sees you? For that matter, do you want to keep waking up at night thinking of that scene, dismissing it as a bad dream, and then remembering that no, it really happened?

DEAR MISS MANNERS: The mother of a young woman I know insists that it's "proper etiquette" to stick postage stamps on envelopes (in this case, containing holiday cards) that are being hand-delivered. Surely this can't be right! She may have some vague idea that hand-delivery looks cheap, as if you're only trying to save money on stamps. I feel it's the other way around: Hand-delivery is a luxury. And what a terrible waste of a stamp.

GENTLE READER: Unless you think of it as saving the Postal Service.

Traditionally, you are right that hand-delivered letters have been considered more important. As Miss Manners recalls, a stamp used to mean that you were trying to save the cost of employing a footman to deliver it.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Universal Uclick, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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