DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I’ve been pursuing a woman, she’s Georgian, for a few months who I’ve gone to university with. I can tell she really likes me due to her obvious body language and since I’ve become more experienced as I’ve aged.
I have learned to be less pushy, be fun and easygoing and had been doing good so far. I did well with the hot and cold games, matched her texting, patterns, and stuff like that.
Here’s where I really screwed up and am wondering if I lost any chance of re-entering the game. Again, I know for sure she was interested, or testing me out, but I got impatient with her after she played another game with me. After too much hot and cold and her suggesting she just wanted friendship I jumped the gun. Her actions contradict that, and especially her body language, as I’ve never experienced so much sexual tensions.
Now, I’ll be honest, it’s quite possible she was just really attracted to me (but not interested) or I imagined too much in my head.
However, assuming I was right and she was interested I’d like to know how I should deal with my stupid mistake. I got angry and we had a long back and forth over text where I called out her (what I thought was obvious interest) and of course she denied it (as expected). It didn’t get too heated and mean but obviously it was a real dumb move and I’m worried I’ve blown any chance with escalating with her. On the plus side she didn’t tell me to get lost or block me, and I think her arguing back so much instead of doing those things and ignoring me means maybe she does have real feelings. Because in the past when I’ve been dumb enough to make such a mistake they usually don’t care and we rarely talk again.
She also forgive me really quickly and seems to have put it behind her.
Anyway, sorry for the long rant. I realize I made some rookie mistakes and I want an honest opinion if I’m toast, or if there is something(s) I can do to salvage this.
Reload, Restart, Quit
DEAR RELOAD, RESTART, QUIT: If I’m being honest, RRQ, the way you salvage this is to get your hands on a flux capacitor, go back in time and slap the phone out of your hands before you could fly off the handle.
Yes, I fully understand that this isn’t the most actionable advice, but this is very much a case where the only move that works is to not end up in that situation in the first place.
You’re not the first person to get frustrated when they feel like someone is “playing games” and feel like they’re not getting the response that they expect, and you won’t be the last. What you won’t be is the first person to successfully call someone out on it. This is something that has, quite literally never worked, and I think folks don’t truly understand the rationale behind their behavior.
The problem is that, when you dig down into the particulars, you will almost always find that this is an issue of crossed wires. Someone either has misunderstood the nature of their interaction, not understood the message behind the supposed “game”, or else has ultimately gotten an answer that they didn’t like and chose to ignore it.
However, because it’s not what they wanted or expected, they get upset and put the blame on the other person for misleading them. This, in turn, motivates some people to call the other person out on it, thinking that this was deliberate on their part.
This is something that I see a lot in dating advice for men, especially from a particular stripe of masculinity influencers: the idea that “calling women out” on their behavior is a good and smart tactic that will somehow get you what you want. It’s part and parcel of the concept of “s--t tests” or that women “secretly” want a guy to be dominant or “in charge” and who won’t “put up with their s--t”; women – or so the theory goes – are playing head games to ‘test’ whether you’re really dominant or alpha or whatever and want you to call them out.
This works about as well as painting a giant tunnel on a cliff face and then trying to run through it, in no small part because the point of “calling someone on their s--t” isn’t to change their mind. That sort of reaction isn’t about “passing” someone’s test or changing their mind. It’s about lashing out because someone pricked your ego and you’re trying to hurt them back. That’s it. There might be some part of you that thinks that this is going to snap them out of it and make them realize that they’re about to lose a good thing… but really, this is about feeling like you’ve been unfairly denied something you feel entitled to.
It’s a little like calling someone out when they say they have a boyfriend or husband but they don’t; it’s not as though they’re going to say “whoops, you got me, guess I have to date you now”. They weren’t saying “are you a bad enough dude to pass my test”, they were saying “I’m not interested, but men tend to respect that if I seem to be someone else’s ‘property’, so I’m going to run with that instead. “Calling out the deception doesn’t change the underlying message, it just further confirms the “no”.
Here’s the thing: it’s entirely understandable that you feel frustrated by this. If you two have been flirting – or at least it feels like you’ve been flirting – back and forth, it can feel like someone is just toying with you when it turns out that they aren’t interested in the sort of relationship you want. But calling them out on “playing games” or toying with you or wasting your time or what-have-you is never going to get someone interested in dating you.
When you decide to read someone the riot act for blowing hot and cold or only offering friendship when you feel like they’ve been hinting at more, you’re not going to change their mind. You can’t, because more often than not, “more” was never on the table in the first place. The odds are much greater that you were reading things incorrectly or that the other person wasn’t flirting with intent and assumed you understood that… assuming they were even flirting to begin with.
The issue here is that, once you’ve reached this point, it means that someone, somewhere in the course of your interactions, has misread or misunderstood the situation. It’s not that the other person is “playing games”, so much as the person getting frustrated has not realized that they’re not on the same page at all.
This is why I say that the only winning move is not to end up here in the first place; getting to this situation means that understanding has broken down somewhere along the line.
I suspect that, for you, this came from focusing too much on the form (matching her patterns, playing hot and cold) and not the function. The point of flirting is to send a message: you like them. Flirting can be fun in and of itself and people do flirt for the sake of flirting, but if you don’t actually take the next step, it’s not going to go anywhere.
The longer you go without actually taking that step, the greater the odds that it’s not going to happen. It’s a little like constant messaging back and forth on dating apps; the point isn’t to message people, it’s to go on dates. If you just keep trading messages back and forth, eventually the moment will pass and they’re going to go on a date with someone who did ask them out. You reach the point where it’s been going on for so long that someone isn’t going to want to risk the status quo, or they assume that the other person isn’t actually serious, or someone finds out that the other person wasn’t interested in more.
The reason why I always advise people to actually make a move, is so that your intent is known and understood. The longer the games go on, the harder it is to read things accurately because nothing is happening. The banter becomes banter for its own sake, not as a playful way of signaling interest and building tension prior to getting together.
Now, the reason why some folks get caught in the flirting/hot-cold loop is understandable; they’re trying to avoid rejection. They’re seeing flirting or bantering like this as a way of grinding out the social meter; get it to the right threshold and you’re ‘guaranteed’ a date. Make your move too early and they’ll reject you and that path is closed off forever.
The thing is though: this isn’t how people work and it’s not how dating works. There are no guarantees, simply because love isn’t something you can “win” through perfect play. There is no way to start a relationship without being vulnerable and opening yourself up to the possibility of rejection and disappointment. That’s baked into the premise, and you have to accept the risk if you’re going to try. If you try to avoid rejection, you’re still going to get hurt; the only difference is how much time and emotional energy you’ve invested when it happens.
And that brings us to where we are now, and the mistake you’re still making. You’re looking for some way to “prove” you were right, even as you concede that you could be reading this entirely incorrectly. More importantly though, is that I don’t think you realize that you’re telling this woman that she doesn’t understand her own feelings or actions and that you know them better than she does. There is, quite literally, no way for this to go well. The fact that she’s arguing with you, for example, doesn’t mean that you were right or that she really does have feelings for you. It means that she’s trying to tell you what her intent was and that you were mistaken. You, however, don’t seem to be listening.
It’s incredibly insulting to be told that you don’t know your own mind and that someone else does, and that’s not going to inspire feelings of affection and desire. It is, however, a great way to shut off any chance of pulling a friendship out of this.
The best way you could have handled this – that Hail Mary – I mentioned before isn’t to call her out, it’s to call out your side of things. You need to drop the games and the pretense and be both direct and sincere. You want to say “ok, hang on, I think I may be on the wrong page here. So we’re clear, I am interested in you as more than a friend and I thought our flirting meant you felt similarly. Have I been mistaken about that?”
The goal at this point isn’t to change her mind, it’s to gain understanding, so you understand what to do next. If they were interested but the moment passed, you now know not to wait so long before making an actual move, or to at least make your interest clear and known. If they weren’t interested or had reasons why they didn’t want to pursue things, then you can adjust your expectations and – if necessary – your behavior.
It also has the benefit of preventing you from flying off the handle at her over your wounded pride.
But you did and, since time travel isn’t an option, you’re going to have to accept the consequences of your choices. The only – only – move you have now if you want to keep a friendship with her is to apologize and to apologize correctly. That means you say “I want to apologize for the way I acted. I clearly misread things, and I got upset because I felt foolish and I lashed out at you about it. I regret what I said and hurting you and I can only say I’m sorry.”
To be very clear: this isn’t about saving your chances of getting with her or getting another shot. This is about trying to staunch the bleeding and not making things worse. After you apologize and, assuming she accepts it, you have to let her decide how things go from here and follow her lead. There’s no guarantee that doing so will mean you two stay friends or for long, but trying to push things will definitely push things away.
Going forward, do your best to learn from this, so you don’t make the same mistakes and end up back here. It’s better to establish where things stand early than it is to get to the point where you’re frustrated and feeling tempted to call her out. It’s easier to come back from asking someone out before they’re ready or sure they’re interested than it is to try to repair bridges after you set them on fire.
Good luck.
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