DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I am going to keep this short. Many years ago, I asked my wife about opening our marriage. After many conversations she chose to say no. Over the years, we have had different conversations about the topic. The one we have had the most conversation about has been my desire to see her with other men. I made it clear to her that I do not want to sleep with other women and that I would love to see her with other guys.
A couple years back I asked my brother would he sleep with my wife and he said he would. The reason I chose to ask my brother is because there was a time we were looking for a sperm donor and he said he would help. I asked my wife would she consider “natural” insemination with my brother instead of the doctor doing it. We had a long conversation about it and she was considering it but again she said no. Every now and again the conversation comes up. She said she just wished I did not ask my brother which I understood. She said she wished I asked for us to look for a guy together. I would like to know should I remain hopeful to see my wife with another guy/ or with my brother or hang it up?
Mr. Hopeful
DEAR MR. HOPEFUL: First, a quick lesson in forms of kink: what you’re describing is known in the kink community as “hot wifing” or “stag and vixen”. This is different from swinging, because there’s no swapping or exchanging partners, and from cuckoldry because there isn’t the element of shame or humiliation involved. The stag/husband is sharing his wife with others and watching because he enjoys seeing her with other people, rather than being humiliated by “having” to witness it. There’s also not any of the dominance displays that can come up with cuckoldry, where the bull (the person from outside the relationship) rubs the husbands nose (sometimes metaphorically, sometimes literally) in having just watched someone else f--k his wife. I bring this up because it’s helpful to actually have the vocabulary to discuss what you actually are looking for, especially if you end up searching within the kink scene.
Now with that out of the way… Hoooo boy.
Look. I’m a big believer in the whole GGG thing – that being a good partner means being good in bed, being a generous and giving lover, and game for trying things that may not do it for you but because your partner’s into it… within reason. It’s the “within reason” part that people keep forgetting about. There’re kinks and activities that are not everyone’s cup of tea but easy enough to indulge �– foot worship, role play, some forms of light bondage, etc. There’re kinks that some folks just aren’t going to be able to get past the ick factor on, like watersports. And then there’re kinks that are emphatically going to be a heavy lift, like, oh, f--king another person in your otherwise monogamous or monogamish relationship.
Guess where hot wifing falls in that particular equation.
My guy, you really need to stop when you’re behind. Honestly this really should’ve stopped with “I asked, she said no” and that would be the end of things but HOLY HOPPING SHEEP S--T did you take this up several notches in the wrong goddamn direction.
Where do I begin with this? I guess the most obvious problem – besides not listening when your wife said she wasn’t down – was asking your brother to f--k your wife without clearing it with your wife first. I mean, this alone is a fractal of WHAT THE ACTUAL CHICKEN FRIED F--K. Wanting to watch someone else have sex with your wife is one thing. I don’t vibe with it, but whatever, your kink is not my kink, etc. Watching your brother f--k your wife for your sexual gratification is crossing so many lines of UGH that I don’t have the actual words to express it without the risk of summoning Yog-Sothtoth. The fact that you asked him before you talked about it with her doesn’t have the “incest? More like wincest” vibe but that’s one hell of a trust violation if you ask me, seeing as she’s the one getting f--ked, here.
The fact that you were presenting it as a “natural” alternative to artificial insemination or IVF just sounds like the set up to a porn video, and I’m kind of astounded that this didn’t end with your wife pulling your scrotum over your head.
Also did… did your brother know you intended to watch him f--k your wife? Because if he did and he was still down… I dunno, that’s its own what-the-f--kery that I’m just not getting paid enough to deal with.
But while the incest-tinged sex games are giving the ick, I think the fact that you are not listening to your wife is the bigger issue here. She’s said – multiple times – that she’s not interested in this. She also said “I wish hadn’t talked to your brother” and that she would rather that the two of you looked for someone together. The context is a little unclear in your letter but based on everything else, I’m fairly sure that she meant looking for a potential sperm donor, not a special guest dick. But even if she DID mean introducing a bull or guest star, the point is that you were looking for one without her input. And that seems to be the underlying issue: you’re doing all of this unilaterally, not taking your wife’s opinion or her informed consent into consideration and not taking no for an answer.
Is it possible that an initial “no” might become a “yes” in time? Absolutely… but only when you’re giving her the opportunity to think things through, to talk it out with you and work through whether or not she’d want to do this – whether for you or because maybe she’s curious about it as well. If you keep pestering her about it, all you’re doing is telling her that her “no” isn’t valid and you have no problems trying to push the matter until you get the answer you want. That, big shoots, is not how you build the sort of trust and communication you need for this sort of kink.
You need to let this one go, dude. You’ve made your pitch and you’ve done it badly. You have made all sorts of incredibly f--ked up mistakes in trying to make this happen, and at this point, I’m a little surprised your wife is still entertaining the question at all, rather than shutting it down before the third syllable leaves your mouth. ��If your wife ever changes her mind – I highly doubt it at this point, but if – then she is going to have to be the one to bring it up, unprompted by you. Until that day – a day that may never come – you need to just drop the subject like third period French and relegate this to fantasies that play in your head when it’s just you and Rosie Palms.
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