DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I have started reading your column recently and I have found your advice insightful. I wanted to ask you a question about a certain situation that I am facing.
A little over a year ago, I [26M] became friends with a woman [34F] that I met while travelling for work. I met her while I was on a tour exploring the city after I had finished my work function. At the time, I had a girlfriend so I was not looking for anything from her. I gave her my Whatsapp so we could share some photos we took, but afterwards I thought nothing of it.
My girlfriend at the time broke up with me for unrelated reasons about a month after I met this girl. Shortly afterwards, she reached out. We started talking more frequently. Mostly just sharing memes or talking about whatever. I also was going to be down in her city for business, so I agreed to meet her. Later on, after a bit of ambiguous flirting from her, I told her that I just wanted to be friends. She said, I had misunderstood, and that was just a cultural misunderstanding. I accepted that because I have had friends, I had this type of relationship with before, but I just wanted to make sure she wasn’t expecting anything else, because I didn’t want her to get hurt.
After that, she backed off on talking to me for a bit, and I understood. I was going to be in her city for work anyways, so about a week before, I reached out to make sure she still wanted to meet up. We did and we had a great time. From there, we talked almost every day afterwards. Our friendship was more flirtatious, but I just thought that was the nature of things. Later on, we agreed to go on vacation together, as friends.
During the first few days of the vacation, things got a little heavy, and I got carried away. We started getting quite affectionate and we both had a lot to drink. We were in the middle of hooking up, but then I had a brief moment of realization and stopped. I explained to her that I like her, but friends with benefits hadn’t worked out for me in the past, and I would prefer not to do that again. Understandably, she told me she was hurt that I rejected her, but then assured me she still wanted to be friends and that this was just a heat of the moment thing.
We are still friends and still talking. Things have scaled back, especially with the flirting, which is fine. I actually have plans to visit her for her birthday. But I am running into dilemmas about how I feel.
I think she is an incredible person. The issue I have is that I don’t want another long-distance relationship after my experience with that in a previous relationship. On top of that, there is no realistic path forward for us. She is an immigrant to a third country, and I live in the United States. Citizens from the country she is originally from are currently not allowed to enter the United States. She does not speak English, could not practice her profession in the United States without significant additional education, and she has a 5-year-old daughter that she has joint custody of in this third country.
I am not in a great position to move to the country she lives. I would have to quit my job, and it would be very hard for me to find employment down there, and I would get paid about a third of what I currently make. She has offered to let me live with her in the past, but that is not a position I want to be in. I also don’t really want to immigrate again after going through that process before. I have explained that this is the main obstacle, and she understands.
But I can tell she is still hurt about this. I want to keep her as a part of my life as a friend. But I feel like a piece of s--t because I can’t give her what she wants. She has agreed to be my friend, and she is one of the best people I know. She is always supportive, kind, and loving. Not just to me, but also to her friends, her daughter, and her family as well. I don’t feel like it would be fair to say she can’t be my friend anymore, because I feel she hasn’t done anything wrong. Sometimes though, I feel like I am bad for her. Also, I don’t think most women would agree to a relationship with me while even having a platonic friendship with her.
How would you recommend I proceed? I recognize I need boundaries, but where do I put those?
Signed,
Rock and a Hard Place
DEAR ROCK AND A HARD PLACE: Alright, there’re a few things to deal with in your situation, RAHP. Let’s start with the meat of your question first. Right off the bat: you’ve presented yourself with a series of limited options in pretty much every aspect of your relationship with your friend. For one, you have more options than “long-term, committed long distance relationship” and “nothing”. You two have chemistry, sure, and you get along famously, which is great. But – leaving aside the obstacles like immigration restrictions, her daughter or your lack of interest in moving to her country – you could let this be something a little more than friends with benefits but a little less than total commitment. A series of short-term flings – which is slightly reductive, but “we really like each other but we can’t make this work long term, so we pack a lot of living into the brief times we can see each other” is an unwieldy mouthful – is an option, after all. You would be treating this as being more serious and significant than just an FWB situation – a “we can’t be together so we steal what time we can, when we can” – that actually honors what you two would have while acknowledging that it can’t last for reasons beyond your control.
Hell, a lot of people might find that unspeakably romantic. Poems, ballads and incredibly soppy movies have been written about less.
Similarly, you don’t have to cut her off as a friend. I’m not sure where you got the idea that women wouldn’t want a relationship with you if you and she were still platonic friends, but that’s an obstacle of your own making. Having female friends – even ones you have a close friendship with, even ones who you kinda-sorta hooked up with and talked about dating before mutually agreeing that it just wouldn’t work – isn’t going to be a deal breaker for people who are vaguely reasonable adults. Anyone who’s going to be that threatened by someone who isn’t even in the same country as you, never mind the same area code, is someone who’s going to invent new forms of drama under the best of circumstances.
Unless, of course, you don’t actually clean up your act. You’re right: you do need some boundaries if you’re going to make this friendship work. But the boundaries you need are going to be ones that you have to abide by, because you’re the one who kept leading her on. You’re going to have to s--t or get off the pot here, because up until now, you’ve been trying to have it both ways, and that’s not going to work.
Here’s the thing: your relationship with her has a very consistent pattern – you two start talking, you get flirty, she responds and then you pull back and go “WOAH, hold on, this isn’t what I meant, I can’t do this.” And then five minutes later, you’re getting all flirty and lovey-dovey again, even as you say that you’ve dialed it back this time for realsies.
I’ve counted at least three separate occasions where you get flirty with her, pull back and say “no, stop, we can’t”, then get flirty again not long afterwards. I will be honest; as soon as I saw “we decided to go on vacation together as friends” come up, I was counting down the seconds until the two of you wound up in bed together. I would also be willing to wager cash-money that this is precisely what will happen again when you visit her for her birthday.
Quite frankly, I’m wondering why you haven’t seen this pattern yourself. I’m also wondering how many times you and your friend are going to do this dance before she gets tired of setting herself up to be rejected again after you’ve been giving her yet more signs of clearly wanting to be more than friends.
I know you’re not doing this maliciously, but this dance of “go away/ wait a minute” isn’t fair to her. You flirt with her, you get physically affectionate and then as soon as she starts to respond, you tell her that you don’t want this. At best, it’s confusing to her, seeing as your actions and your words aren’t lining up. At worst… well, at worst, it’s painful. Rejection isn’t fun under the best of circumstances, but rejection that comes after the other person is making goo-goo eyes and kissy noises is especially painful. While it may not be intentional, it has the effect of leaving her on the hook and wondering if maybe this time will be the time that you’re not going to yank the football away at the last second.
So, you’re going to have to make the call here. Either the two of you can try to find some way to make this a series of flings that you can have when you’re both single and able to see each other, or you’re going to have to commit to being completely platonic. That means no flirting, no physical affection and being almost religiously disciplined about drinking or anything else that might cause a (ahem) “lapse in judgement”. Because let’s be honest here, just you and me and the readers making three: we all know that’s going to happen when you visit her for her birthday. It’ll be another “accident” that everyone will see coming from a mile away and yet somehow you just can’t seem to get out of the way in time.
So, if you want her in your life, you have to make a decision and stick to it. You either find a way to make this a more serious relationship – even as your time together is incredibly limited – or you end the flirting and making out and constant emotional edging cold. No exceptions. Anything else is too unfair and too disrespectful to her.
Good luck.
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