DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I’m honestly not even sure how to begin writing about this – but here goes. I feel like being “too nice” is actually holding me back when it comes to dating and relationships.
Growing up, I was the shy, bullied kid. I kept to myself, played video games, and spent way too much time online trying to escape and cope. The term “incel” wasn’t common back then, but the underlying frustration and confusion around dating were definitely there. I never believed in the extreme ideas, like needing to be six feet tall to have a chance with women, but I did constantly compare myself to guys who were more confident, edgier, better looking, and more athletic. I always felt like I didn’t measure up.
Fast forward to now – things are different. I’ve grown into myself. I’m charismatic, confident, fun to be around, and I know I’m attractive. I don’t mean that in an arrogant way – it’s just something I’ve come to accept, and I have had way too many people compliment my appearance. People seem to enjoy being around me, and sometimes I unintentionally become the center of attention. I teach dance part-time, so I spend a lot of time with women and connecting socially comes easily in that space. I also know that women come to trust me very well.
And yet…I’m 34, and I’ve only ever been on one date when I was 18.
I’m not insecure about my masculinity per-se, but I feel like my softer character is a disadvantage. I’m not the stereotypical macho type, but I’m in great shape, have a solid sense of style, and I carry myself well. I’m kind and playful – but I also have clear boundaries, I speak up for myself, and I don’t let people walk all over me. That’s gotten me into trouble a few times, actually. Sometimes I wonder if people assume I’m gay. It’s come up now and then, and a few gay men have shown interest, but it’s rare enough that I don’t think it’s a major factor. I’ve even asked a couple of female friends, and they’ve said no, they never got that impression. I’m always making people laugh, and it’s clear the comfort is there.
In the past year or so, I’ve started to notice women looking at me in ways I hadn’t seen before – glances, and subtle touches. But even then, those glancing at me don’t tend to give me an opening (such as getting closer, or smiling), and the interactions I do have never seem to go beyond surface-level friendliness. With the women I’m more familiar with, I try to extend our interactions, like dropping them a text outside of the times that I see them physically, but they don’t respond to such advances (platonic or otherwise). I am flirty. It’s like I’ve got all the characteristics some may want in a partner, but I’m not someone they see romantically or sexually.
So here’s what I’m trying to understand: If I’m not being fake nice, and I’m not a pushover – why does being a genuinely kind, empathetic, and playful man seem to work against me when it comes to finding love or being desired?
Mr. Nice Guy
DEAR Mr. NICE GUY: This isn’t a question of your being “too nice”, MNG. In fact, unless you’ve left out some important details – like someone saying “you’re just too nice”, then nothing you describe has anything to do with how nice/bad you are. You’re attributing things to being “too nice” because this is something that is in the forefront of your mind, not something that’s driving other people away. And, if I’m being honest, I think you’re running into an issue a lot of folks who’ve had a similar glow-up have.
Don’t get me wrong: you’ve made a lot of progress – both with your overall looks and presentation and with your relationship with yourself and your body. That’s all excellent, and you should be proud of all the work you’ve done and the progress that you’ve made. But while you’ve put in a lot of effort to grow and mature in these areas, I think you haven’t put quite as much effort into letting go of old, unhelpful beliefs about yourself, about women and about dating in general.
Part of the problem is misunderstanding what being “too nice” actually means. When we talk about Nice Guys™ or about the problem with being “nice”, we’re not saying that being compassionate, considerate, accommodating or generous and empathic are unattractive qualities or turn people off. In fact, those are all qualities that make someone more charismatic, not less. The “too nice” problem is almost always an issue of someone having too little confidence and assertiveness, of being too passive and too eager to evade any sort of ownership of their own interests or desire.
It’s the same when people complain about “bad boys” or “a--holes” and how supposedly popular and desirable they are. Most of the time “asshole” in this case really means “person who has what I want and I don’t think they deserve it”. It’s almost always a matter of envy that people don’t want to acknowledge as envy; they see confidence and assertiveness as arrogance and aggression because they don’t feel it in themselves, even though they wish they had it. They see someone who may be a bit cocky and think they’re actually a horrible person because they themselves lack that feeling of self-assurance. And while it’s certainly true that a lot of s--tty, manipulative people convince folks to date them, the reason why folks find them attractive isn’t because they’re horrible; they’re often just better at hiding their s--ttiness at first.
After all, nobody’s thinking “wow, this guy is absolutely going to milk me for money, treat me like s--t, f--k my best friend and wipe his d--k on the teddy bear I’ve had since childhood on his way out the door, I must have him.”
It’s also not the case that “nice” guys can’t be cruel or manipulative. Lots of people have complained about uwu smol-bean softbois who treat their partners and prospective dates like s--t; the only difference is the flavor.
Being too afraid of rejection to make a move, not having confidence in oneself or not necessarily having the same level of charisma or charm as others doesn’t make someone “nice”. It just makes them someone who doesn’t want to take a chance and hasn’t developed the skill to be charismatic or to express themselves in an attractive way.
The problem that you – like a lot of other people – are having is that you’ve mistaken the sizzle for the steak. Being stylish, in good physical shape and conventionally attractive are all appealing qualities, to be sure… but that’s not going to do the work for you. You can be incredibly hot but have all the interpersonal skills of a boiled potato, while a dude who looks like his parents vacationed one too many times in Innsmouth can be out there getting ass like he was in a car case and crashed through a plate-ass window. At the risk of sounding dismissive, the difference really is a skill issue.
A lot of social success, especially when it comes to dating and relationships, comes down to connecting with people, reading the room and knowing how to present yourself as a potential romantic partner. It’s about having people skills and knowing how to make someone smile or laugh or feel good about themselves or how to be someone who brings the fun. Part of the reason why “I’m ugly, broke and borderline homeless… but I’m in a band” is such a cliché is because they are very good at hitting people in the feels. Music, after all, affects us in a very primal place; it moves us, inspires us and just makes us feel. And it’s that “how you make people feel” that a lot of folks forget to develop.
When people focus on improving external qualities like their physique or their style, they often lose sight of the importance of soft skills like flirting or building a connection with people. They often convince themselves that the only thing holding themselves back is how they look, rather than how they interact with other people. There’s a tendency to think that looks alone are going to do the heavy lifting and all they have to do is wait for success to come rolling in. As a result, even when people express some interest in them, they don’t know how to build on those moments. Nor do they know how to initiate the connection and find the people who’re looking for someone just like them.
Now in your case, specifically, I think you’re still in need of working on your assertiveness and willingness to make the first move, as well as working on how to read the room. Let’s take the women you mention seeing giving you subtle signs but not giving you an opening like coming closer. Many times, the issue is that you need to be the one coming closer to them; the reason why we call these approach invitations is that you’re being invited to come approach them. That is: they’ve given you a sign that they’re curious about you, so now it’s on you to go over and strike up a conversation.
Similarly, you might want to give them an invitation of your own. Meeting their eyes and smiling first, for example, is a sign that you’re friendly and open to talking. The classic “make eye contact, look away, look back and smile” is sending the message that you noticed them – especially if you notice them looking at you first – and you’re pleased by this. You might add a flirty angle to it by giving a Harrison Ford-esque wink and grin or an eyebrow flash to show your interest. Or send a more direct invite with a head nod or gesture to come over and say hello.
I suspect that you haven’t been doing these things, which is likely the source of most of the times people have wondered if you were gay; even today, a lot of people hold onto stereotypes about gay behavior vs. straight behavior. Your overall look and behavior paired with a seeming lack of interest in the women you’re talking to will occasionally lead to people making erroneous assumptions.
Just as importantly, you want to work on the differences between someone who’s being polite or friendly versus someone who’s genuinely interested. This is as much art as it is science and it takes a certain amount of practice and social calibration, and it requires tailoring your approach to be appropriate for the people involved. If you’re getting no response from the texts you’re sending to your casual acquaintances, you may well be misreading their intentions or the way you’re texting them isn’t inviting a response – or the response you’re looking for, in any case.
Part of the problem is the context that you’re meeting the women you’ve been texting or inviting out. If you’ve met these women in the context of being their dance teacher, you may not be someone they would feel comfortable having a more personal relationship with. The fact that this is a semi-professional relationship may make them feel uncomfortable having more of a social connection, especially if you’re being paid to teach them.
(I would also advise caution here; while the fact that you’re teaching dance classes isn’t the same as, say, being their college professor, your employer may well have very strong opinions about teachers trying to flirt with the students.)
Others, however, may simply not feel like you have the sort of relationship that would lead to contact outside of class or seeing you socially. It may also simply be that you’re not where you would need to be yet.
In those cases, you’d need to devote a little more time to building the foundation of a connection with them via making small talk and getting to know them over time.
One of the things I would suggest that you should pay attention to is the overall tone and tenor of your interactions. Are you asking them questions about themselves and showing interest in getting to know them as people? Have you asked about their hobbies or interests? Have you found that you and they have interests or experiences in common, or have all the conversations been strictly small talk about “safe” topics? These are all important when it comes to establishing the sorts of connections that can lead to friendships and more. If you’re not doing this – and honestly, a lot of men have issues with actually asking questions or showing basic interest in the people they’re talking to – then that’s something you should pay more attention to.
Similarly, have you been flirting with these people or otherwise showing interest in being more than acquaintances? Have there been moments when you were talking in person that they were showing interest in seeing you again or seeing you socially – more than the usual polite “well, hope to see you again?” If not, then again, this is an area that’s going to require more attention and effort from you. You’re going to want signs of mutual interest. Otherwise, you’re likely to have invitations and texts that are going to go unanswered.
Again, I don’t want to downplay or dismiss the effort you’ve put into your presentation and your confidence. I just want to emphasize that developing and improving your social skills is equally important as working on your looks – if not more so. You’ve put a lot of work into looking better. Now it’s time to develop the other skills you need for social success.
Don’t worry about being “too nice”. Put your focus on being more social and more proactive about meeting people you’re interested in.
Good luck.
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