DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: Picture the scene – an attractive guy walks into a dance workshop, effortlessly blending in with the class. He flashes a warm smile and laughs with each partner he gets paired up with. As the lights dim and it’s time for social dancing, he’s the first on the floor, confident and full of energy. He dances with a genuine smile, enjoying the experience, and isn’t bothered by little mistakes, laughing them off with ease. He doesn’t take himself too seriously. The women he dances with always rave about what a great lead he is, how comfortable he makes them feel, and how much fun they have dancing with him.
That’s me.
And yet, despite all this, I’ve never once been on a date with a woman.
I’m in my early thirties now, and most of the friendships I’ve had have been with the opposite sex. I’d like to think I strike a healthy balance with my masculinity: I’ve got quiet confidence, natural authority when needed, and firm boundaries. But I also have a good sense of humor, and I’m approachable, kind, and empathetic. I’m not exaggerating when I say I often receive compliments about my dancing, which are usually followed by praise for my personality. People also jokingly mention my “harem of women”, and I can be quite playful and a bit of a flirt. At the last social I attended, I even got compliments on my appearance from a stranger (I’m frequently called handsome). It’s fair to say that women generally think highly of me, and see me as a fun, easygoing guy to be around.
So, why, despite all of these qualities and the fact that I’m often considered attractive, have I never been able to win a woman’s heart, or get her into bed?
I’m aware of one limitation that might be holding me back, but I don’t think it should prevent me entirely. I seem to have bad luck when it comes to meeting women in my age group. Despite trying different things – attending events in other cities, working in various places, and so on – the women I meet are usually older and already in relationships. When I do find someone single, they’re rarely in the mid-twenties to early thirties range I’m looking for, and if they are, they don’t seem particularly interested in getting to know me. At social events, they’re often the ones who don’t ask me to dance or strike up a conversation. When I tried dating apps a few years ago, I never got any matches. Even when I was surrounded by people my own age, like at university, I still found that women weren’t interested. I don’t act any differently around women I’m attracted to or who might be available, but it feels like there’s this invisible barrier that prevents any real connection from happening.
There’s clearly something I’m doing that’s turning women off from seeing me as a romantic or sexual prospect, but I just can’t pinpoint what it is. It’s confusing because the lack of interest I experience seems to be the real reflection of how women perceive me, which directly conflicts with the many positive things that are said. Lately, I’ve been feeling more discouraged about it, to the point where I’m starting to doubt whether I’ll ever actually date anyone in my lifetime.
Dancing On My Own
DEAR DANCING ON MY OWN: Alright DOMO, I want to point something out that comes up a lot in letters like yours. Almost every time I get a letter like this – someone who, in theory, has all the traits and qualities that women would love to see in a partner but who has yet to have so much as a first date – I see a lot about internal qualities, how people enjoy their company, and where they spend their time. What I don’t see is “I asked out X person and Y person and Z person and they all say no.” ��(Frequently, there’ll be mention about how the apps aren’t working for them, but that’s an entirely different beast and one I’ve ranted about repeatedly and at great length.)
It’s very hard for me to gauge what someone’s doing wrong if I don’t know what they’re actually doing. And the way letters like yours are phrased tend to lead me to suspect that they’re not doing any actual asking. In fact, a lot of the time, there’s more talk about people not showing interest than anything that they’re doing to help ping for interest or to build it in the first place.
I say this because I look at your description and I’m not seeing you taking an active role in terms of trying to actually get somewhere with folks. I’m not seeing anything about asking people out, nor am I seeing anything about expressing interest or trying to see how interested they are. Being “a bit of a flirt” is not the same thing as actually flirting with people you’re interested in. That sounds like you make flirty comments with folks you aren’t interested in, or in ways that lead folks not think you’re not serious. That’s all fine if you’re flirting because it’s fun and people enjoy it. But it suggests that there’s a lack of actual intent behind it, and that makes a significant difference. There’s flirting for funsies and then there’s flirting because you’re actually interested and willing to follow through when they flirt back. If there isn’t at least some sign of genuine attraction and interest behind it, then folks are going to assume that you don’t mean it.
Here’s the thing: being attractive is an active quality, not passive. It isn’t something that just happens. It’s not just the presence of certain traits or qualities; it’s how those qualities interplay with one another and – importantly – how they’re put to use.
Being good looking, for example, is not the same as being attractive. A statue can be beautiful, but unless you’re Pygmalion, you’re not going to want to f--k it. Good bone structure and symmetrical features are great, but they don’t do the job by themselves, especially without other qualities to back them up. Every straight woman alive can tell you about a guy who was gorgeous but rendered themselves absolutely unf--kable because of something they said or did.
The same holds true with other qualities – being fun, being a good dancer, being safe, and so on. These are all good qualities to have. But in and of themselves, they don’t spark attraction. You can be someone people love to dance with, but don’t necessarily want to date, because dancing is fun. But you can have fun without building attraction. You presumably have fun hanging out with your friends, and the fun you have with them makes you want to hang out with them more often. But that doesn’t mean that you’re attracted to your friends or they’re becoming attracted to you. That additional element just isn’t there unless you choose to add it.
Dating and wining hearts requires connection. It requires effort. It requires a spark. Yes, sometimes sparks happen without any effort on anyone’s part. Sometimes people get hit by lightning, too. If you want things to happen, you have to put in effort to make them happen, and that requires being proactive, not passive. Even if the odds are long, you can’t win the lottery without buying a ticket. You can’t win the pot at Texas Hold-Em if you don’t at least ante up in the first place.
I mean, if you want to play “spot the problem”, we can leap straight here: “At social events, they’re often the ones who don’t ask me to dance or strike up a conversation” and here: “I don’t act any differently around women I’m attracted to or who might be available”.
This, right here, is the issue. With both of these, it sounds to me like you’re waiting for them to be making the move, and that’s a mistake. As a general rule, women tend not to make overt first moves, simply because there’s a lot more at risk for them than there is for men. Even in the far-flung future of 2025, there’s still intense amounts of social pressure for women to be covert in showing interest rather than doing so overtly or even taking the lead. And in most social dancing, there’s still more of an expectation of men asking women to dance rather than vice versa… especially if the women don’t know the man in question yet.
The same holds for not acting differently around the women who you find attractive or who you think may be single. If you’re not showing that you’re interested in them, they’re not going to necessarily assume it for you. It’s not that you need to start hooting and hollering and beating yourself with a mallet like a cartoon wolf when you see someone you’re attracted to, but you do need to show that you’re attracted to them and would be interested in more than platonic friendship. If you’re behaving like a friend and holding back on any signs of romantic or sexual attraction, they’re going to assume that you’re just looking for friendship. And as I have said many times: nobody can go on a date that you didn’t invite them on.
I would also want to know what, precisely, is happening that you assume they’re not interested in getting to know you. Are you having to go to the orthopedist to get your back fixed because you’re carrying the entire conversation yourself? Are they only giving you brief, non-committal answers when you ask questions and never ask questions back? Are they not matching your energy and coming off as sullen or bored? If that’s the case… yeah, they’re not into you, and it may be that you need to be looking elsewhere. You may be dealing with a demographic who you don’t vibe with, or it may be that this isn’t a place where people are going in order to meet folks that they might want to hook up with.
A lot of women aren’t necessarily going to want to date folks they’ve just met when they’re not in social mode. This is especially true if you’re going to classes with an eye towards hooking up rather than learning, and they’re going because they’re looking to improve their moves on the dance floor. If someone’s going to a dance class because they want to learn how to foxtrot and merengue, they may not be in the mood to flirt or find a date, especially if you’re an unknown quality.
A lot of guys try to treat dance classes and yoga classes like a sex ATM, so it’s understandable that many women would have their guard up. Even someone who’s single and actively looking doesn’t like feeling like they’re chum in the water as horny sharks swim around. But that’s where being a regular comes in; you’re showing that you’re there for the dancing, not to get laid. Once they understand that you’re not yet another f--kboy, people are more likely to let their guard relax and be willing to get to know you. That, in turn, makes it easier for you to decide if you are interested in them and whether you want them to know it.
This, incidentally, is where the “a bit of a flirt” can actually work for you in the way you’d prefer. If you’re safe to flirt with – or not flirt with, for that matter – then it’s easier to get them to open up; they’ll know that you’re flirting for the fun of it, rather than trying to get into their pants. It also means that you take ‘not interested’ with good grace, meaning that you’re safe to say no to. That earns a lot of points and also means that they’re more likely to actually connect with you – even if it’s platonic at first.
As you get to know them and they get to know you, you can start to ping for reciprocal interest. Once you start seeing that maybe they’d be interested in talking a bit after the song ends or getting a drink at the bar, you can signal that you’re interested in them, specifically.
But again: this requires actually signaling interest and making moves. If you aren’t putting it out there, folks aren’t going to divine it by magic, regardless of where you are. You may need to adjust your expectations to play a slightly longer game, but it still requires active participation.
Good luck.
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