DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: Medium-time reader, first time writer.
I have a weird relationship problem and I’m not sure how to handle it without causing more problems. I’ve been dating my girlfriend (let’s call her “Amanda”) for a while now, and for the most part, things are great. But there’s one thing that’s been bothering me, and it’s starting to eat away at the trust I’m trying so hard to build.��It’s her best friend “Hugo”, a guy she’s known for years.
According to her, they’ve never dated, never hooked up, and she swears it’s purely platonic. I believe her, but I don’t know if HE does, if you understand my meaning. I know he was her friend before she and I got together and I’m trying to respect that, but the way he acts around me makes it really hard.��Hugo’s never outright hostile in ways that I could point to. It always seems to skirt right at the edge of passive-aggressive with just enough deniability that if I make a stink about it, I look like a paranoid asshole. Instead, there’s always this low-key tension. He constantly makes little digs at me — sarcastic comments, passive-aggressive jokes, stuff that makes me look bad in front of her. I don’t know if he’s hoping I’ll hit him or just start yelling, I swear that he’s trying to provoke me into starting an actual fight. He brings up reasons why we’re “obviously” going to have to break up (and then swears he’s joking, can’t we take a joke?) or questions my loyalty or interest in Amanda in these subtle, manipulative ways. And anytime Amanda and I go through a rough patch – nothing serious, just the usual sort of friction that comes up in relationships – or even just have a disagreement, he’s right there whispering doubt into her ear.
I can’t prove it, but I’m also more than a little convinced that he’s either tried to catfish me or got other friends to try. I’ve had a few DMs from people on my Instagram that seem unusually flirty, but different enough that I don’t think that it’s one of those weird “oh wrong number but whats your name” love scams. And writing it out like that makes me feel like I’m taking crazy pills.��I’m trying my best not to be the stereotype of the possessive jealous boyfriend, but I am well and truly convinced he doesn’t just dislike me, he’s got a thing for Amanda and he sees me as competition. I’m trying not to take the bait, but the needling is constant, and it’s always on the same theme about me and Amanda. I know what I sound like when I write this out but I really feel like he thinks he’s playing the long game, waiting for a chance to wedge himself between us.��I don’t want to be the guy who says, “You can’t be friends with him.” That’s not fair to her, and honestly, I know it would probably backfire. I feel like that’s precisely what he’s hoping for. But I also don’t want to sit back and watch someone slowly poison our relationship from the inside.��How do I protect what we have without looking like I’m trying to control her friendships? How do I handle a situation where I know someone’s intentions aren’t as innocent as they pretend to be?��Appreciate your help,�It’s Not Paranoia If They’re Out To Get You
DEAR IT’S NOT PARANOIA IF THEY’RE NOT OUT TO GET YOU: I’m going to say something that I don’t say very often: I think you may be on to something, INPITOTGY. I think you may be a little jealous, but I don’t think it’s unfounded.
Because, back in my bad old days? I was that guy. And to be honest, I was good at this. To be clear: I’m not proud of the I used to be, and it never worked the way I ultimately hoped. In fact, it once nearly blew up in my face when the woman I was trying to get with called me out for it and (rightly) read me for filth over it. I was never a full-bore Iago or anything, but I was very good at being a habitual line-stepper, giving just enough to throw a little sand in the gears or drip enough poison in someone’s ear to make them have doubts.
To add to this: there’s an actual subset of the dating coach/PUA-redpill/manosphere industry that focuses on how to undermine women’s relationships and convince them to dump their boyfriends or cheat on them with you instead. Back in the long-long ago, when I was still part of the PUA community, people were trading what they called “boyfriend destroyers”, routines and strategies for how to handle women who already had partners.
Most of them didn’t work – I refer you to the “nearly blew up in my face” I mentioned earlier – but the desire was there and where there’s an opening in the market, there will be people who try to fill it.
So yes, I don’t think you’re crazy. I think you’re dealing with a self-declared Nice GuyTM who thinks that you’re the only thing standing between him and his Oneitis. Never mind that, y’know, she isn’t interested in him; he’s hoping that he can wear her down or eventually catch her in a moment of weakness.
So, the obvious question is: what do you do about this? As you point out, if he’s being a habitual line-stepper but he’s careful not to do anything overt enough to lose any plausible deniability, then you run the risk of coming off as jealous and possessive. That’s precisely what he’s hoping for; he wants you to be the irrational, jealous boyfriend. He wants to trade on the “I was her friend first” aspect of their relationship. It’s a point of pride to him, a “I’ve seen them come and go, and I’m still here”. That longevity doesn’t overcome everything, but it definitely counts for a lot.
Well, the most obvious answer is that you need to not take the bait. He’s hoping for a “it’s him or me” ultimatum, especially if he can pretend to be the victim. Even just calling him out on it privately is going to make it easier for him to play the “I’m just a little guy!” game. As frustrating as it is, you are in a position where you’re going to be perceived as having more social cachet and power than him, so even if you’re in the right, there’s the very real risk of looking like you’re punching down (metaphorically). As much as it sucks, you are stuck having to take his s--t with a smile.
But please note that this isn’t the same thing as doing nothing. Yeah, he’s running a game on you. Yeah, knowing he’s running a game on you doesn’t make it easier. But nobody said you had to play according to his rules. In fact, you’re in a position where you can make it backfire on him.
Here’s the thing: his ultimate goal is to change how Amanda sees you and thinks about you – whether by undermining you in her eyes, or provoking a reaction out of you that would make her angry enough to dump you. As someone who’s run this game before, I can tell you exactly where the weak points are.
The first is that this requires that you feel threatened by him. The way he needles at you is intended to prick your ego, but also to make you worry that it’s working on Amanda. If he can’t manage either, this part of his plot fails.
So start by flipping the script on him. He needs you to be the brittle, jealous bro. Go the opposite direction: be the himbo instead. Rather than treating him like a threat, treat him like a buddy. Now I don’t mean that you need to really be friends with him; that would be preferable, but it seems like he’s determined to play the asshole. By being friendly and helpful, you disarm any accusations of your being threatened or jealous of him. It’s hard to say “hey this guy’s a jealous, controlling loser” when you’re being friendly, inviting him to grab beers and generally being a human-shaped golden retriever when he’s around. Playing along with the needling – the classic “agree and amplify”, where you functionally “yes and” whatever he starts with and take it to an absurd level – robs his put-downs and negs of power and makes you into someone who’s not just self-aware, but confident enough to joke about yourself. It also makes him look like a jerk if he keeps trying to pick a fight and you treat it like it’s all great fun. Doubly so if you don’t zing him back, or do so in a way that isn’t actually mean or insulting. It’s like trying to punch a sponge; when there’s no resistance or hard surfaces, everything just sinks in without real impact.
You can even do things like offer to help him meet some lovely ladies or – even better – say you’ll set him up. “Hey, have I told you about my friend $_NAME? She broke up with her asshole boyfriend last month and I think you and she would get along great! How about I get you two together and we see what happens?”
It’s going to be very hard for Hugo to refuse this without being obvious and it f--ks with the narrative he’s trying to build. It also could lead to him meeting someone else and finally letting go of his attempt to monopolize Amanda, which means everyone’s a winner.
The other weak point is that he wants to sew division between you and Amanda. This is a risky play, especially if you and Amanda are already pretty solid; the odds of it backfiring are high, especially if he ends up tipping his hand too much. So your play is to frustrate him until he makes a mistake.
There are a couple ways guys like him will try to bust up a relationship. One is to create jealousy plotlines, where he tries to imply that you’re not faithful to her. The other is to try undermine you by making you look stupid, uncool or otherwise work against your appeal to her. In both cases, this requires a level of emotional intelligence on his part, but it also requires that there be enough room or him to drive a wedge in. The way you beat it is actually simple: you behave the way you did at the start of the relationship. You don’t want to make a sudden 180 – that’s the sort of thing that can come across as “wait, are you trying to compensate for something?” – but you do want to start to ramp up the good-boyfriend behavior.
I’m a big believer in “the way you won them is the way you keep them”; that is, the behavior that helped you partner fall for you is precisely how you keep the relationship strong and vibrant. So returning to the behaviors from the start of your relationship with Amanda, when everything was fresh and new, is precisely what helps strengthen it. Remember the days when you would do little things out of the blue, simply because they made her smile? Or the level of effort you were making when planning dates and getting together with her? Remember the random flirting and compliments and affection? Bringing that back is the sort of thing that makes Amanda feel good without coming off as being performative or like you’re trying to distract her from a mistake you made. It reminds her of why you two fell for each other in the first place and it will just make her happy.
It’s hard to have doubts in a relationship when your partner is making you feel appreciated and desired. It’s hard to sell “he’s not good for you” or “I bet he’s trying to get someone on the side” when you’re showing up after she had a long day at work with take-out and a cozy movie queued up on Netflix so she can relax and de-stress.
Bringing that happy-boyfriend energy makes him look small and petty and strengthens your connection with Amanda. And, at some point, you can say “hey, can I something crazy? You know him better than I do, but I would swear that Hugo’s got a crush on you.” The important thing is that you treat this as being cute, not threatening or – and this is important – absurd. You do not want to talk Hugo down. You aren’t trying to imply that he’s sad, pathetic or delusional for thinking he has a chance, and you absolutely don’t want to imply that he’s Nice Guy-ing her. If anything, you’re a little worried that he’s going to get hurt, because he doesn’t deserve that. You play it as though you’re picking up on a faint vibe and let Amanda take it from there. You follow her lead – if she doubts it, then all you need to say is “I dunno, you’re pretty crush-able” and make it more about how awesome Amanda is. If she asks if you’re jealous, you go with the “agree and amplify” routine – you’re either about to go Big Moose on him (with appropriate levels of “daaaaaah, stay away from my goil” levels of oafishness) or “Hey, I’m never going to stand in the way of true love!” If she thinks you’re wrong, then you nod and say “…yeah, probably. I just assume everyone likes you the way I do because it seems absurd to me that they wouldn’t, because you’re pretty damn special.”
Remember that part of the point is that you are agreeing that Amanda knows him better than you do, so you ultimately agree with her. And then you drop it, while continuing to be the awesome boyfriend you are. And I do mean continuing; you don’t drop things once Hugo’s no longer an active problem. Yes, you’re trying to handle a guy who’s attempting to interfere with your relationship, but continuing to treat your girlfriend like you just started dating strengthens your relationship overall. This ends up creating a win-win situation for you. Not only does Hugo get to flail impotently, but your relationship with Amanda improves because of it.
It’s an annoying situation, to be sure, and I understand that you’re frustrated. By being the better man and boyfriend, you ultimately benefit and Hugo either gives up and grows up, or else he’ll f--k up big enough for Amanda to call him on it. Either way: you and Amanda win.
Good luck.
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