DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I’m knee-deep in a complex situation with my current relationship and could really use your perspective on it.
I’ve recently started dating this amazing girl, E, and things are going really well between us. It’s early days, I know, but so far and I understand about NRE, but I feel pretty confident in saying this is a relationship with legs. We are on the same page about all the important things, we’re cool with the areas where we disagree and we’re both pretty committed to seeing where things are going but not rushing things. The catch is that she’s actually the ex-girlfriend of one of my buddies, J.
At the beginning, we tried to keep it on the down-low, you know, to avoid any unnecessary drama. But as feelings deepened and we couldn’t resist spending more time together, it became pretty obvious to our friend group that something was going on. And now, things are getting a bit, well, complicated.
Our friends aren’t thrilled about it. At first I thought it was my imagination, but as time has gone by it’s become pretty clear that they disapprove of my dating E. Their opinion is that I’ve violated ‘bro code’ because I’m dating J’s ex and that’s just not allowed. When a couple of them confronted me about this, I even asked them: what makes this a problem? Why does J get to have a say in who she dates? They always just tell me that I should know this isn’t cool and I shouldn’t have done this.
I’m really feeling frustrated about this. J hasn’t said anything directly to me, but it sounds like he’s been complaining to our other friends about it. And while I respect their loyalty to our friend, I can’t deny the connection E and I have, and we both believe there’s something real here.
I’m stuck in a tough spot. I don’t want to cause more drama with my friends, but I really resent other people sticking their nose into my relationship when it’s none of their business. I also don’t want to give up on a relationship that feels this meaningful. Love isn’t exactly something you can control, right?
How can I navigate this situation with our friends and minimize the drama? Is it even possible to make this work without wrecking our friendships? I want to be respectful of everyone’s feelings, but I also want to follow my heart.
Cheers,
Drama Cluster Bomb
DEAR DRAMA CLUSTER BOMB: I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: nobody gets to call “dibs” on another person, nor do they get to gatekeep who someone dates.
I’ve seen the whole “bro code” and “you can’t date the ex of your friend/family member/ co-worker/ whatever” discourse more times than I care to count and honestly, I’m kinda sick of it. It’s almost entirely down to toxic ideas around sex and relationships that really only affect straight people. In queer communities, you’re much more likely to find friends dating other friends’ exes and everyone being cool about it and not having blow ups about whether it’s “allowed” or not. That’s a pretty good indication of what this is actually about among straights – control dressed up as concern. When your friends tell you that it’s not cool of you to date E, they’re completely ignoring the fact that everyone in this equation has agency. I can’t help but notice that it seems like they’re not saying the same thing to E. That, to my mind, is pretty significant.
In fact, I think the next time one of them comes to you with this, you should ask them “so… have you told E this, too?” Because I’m betting that either they won’t have, or they’ll insist that’s different, somehow. And that will tell you exactly what this is about: J somehow still having a claim to E and the “right” to control her relationships.
Now, maybe J doesn’t know that his friends are doing this on his behalf. Maybe they’ve taken it upon themselves to gatekeep things. Or maybe J doesn’t want to be obvious about it and so is letting others do the lifting for him. Regardless of who is the prime motivator in this fracas, it still comes down to the same thing: J’s relationship with E is over, E is an independent person with agency and can decide to date whomever she pleases and while other people can have an opinion, they don’t get a vote or veto. Relationships are not democracies and they’re not open to public comment.
(And this, guys, gals and non-binary pals, is why Doc takes another shot every time he sees more discourse about Taylor Swift’s love life…)
I do think that you might have prevented some of this drama by telling J that it was happening before you and E became more public about things. Not, I must point out, asking permission, but giving him advance notice so that he could prepare emotionally for the inevitability of seeing the two of you together. While circumstances might make this less feasible (if E asked you not to, for example), it would at least be a polite and kind thing to do.
But while it doesn’t seem like you did that, not doing it doesn’t excuse how his friends are acting. Even if this is down to “it hurts J to see E dating someone else”, well, that’s a shame and I empathize with J… but that hurt doesn’t give him the right to say “…and that’s why she’s not allowed to date someone I know”. It’s up to J to handle his own emotions, not you and not E. As his friends, you owe him politeness and possibly discretion, but you don’t owe him a veto over who you date or who his ex dates.
And hell, even if you and E were maliciously rubbing his nose in your newfound happiness, that still wouldn’t give J or his proxies the right to say “this isn’t allowed”. It would just make the two of you a pair of colossal assholes, and I would be entirely sympathetic to J and his friends icing you out of the group.
I know some would say that it comes down to whose feelings matter more, or respecting your friend in his time of loss… that’s still ignoring that E is her own person and that feelings don’t override agency. If you’d “stolen” E away (for suitably sarcastic definitions of “stolen”; E isn’t property), that would be intensely s--tty of you and that would be a violation of the friendship you and J have. But I don’t think you two forming a relationship organically and in its own time is an insult or disrespect to J.
I think there might be some value to talk to J directly. Having third parties in the mix is only going to make things worse, especially if J’s not the one who’s actually directing this. It may be helpful for the two of you to get together and clear the air (while not conceding that he has a right to say who you or E is allowed to date). If, for example, J tells you that “I would’ve appreciated if you’d at least given me a heads up that you and E were starting to see each other”, you would at least be able to see that the issue is more his being blindsided by this rather than his having authority to dictate terms.
But if you two can clear the air, I think that might help immensely. Assuming, of course, that J is reasonable about this. You know him; I don’t. You’ll have to be the one to decide.
In the end, however, this is going to come down to two things: you establishing some boundaries with your social circle and ultimately deciding which is going to be more important. If J’s feelings on this – or those of the others in the group – are going to be more important than what’s happening with E, then yeah, this relationship might have to end. But, in the spirit of honesty, I think that would be short-sighted.
If J’s a reasonable person, I think he’ll get over it. If he’s not… well, honestly that’s more of a J issue than a you issue. And while it might suck to lose that friend group, if they’re going to act like this, I don’t know if I could say that’s necessarily a bad thing.
Good luck.
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