DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: A phenomena I’d like some help untangling is why do so many folks (mostly women that look open and very liberal in my experience) specify that they are looking for casual dating/hookups/fwb/etc, but aren’t interested in exploring that with an ethically non-monogamous partner even if he is not interested in children, has a vasectomy, is knowledgeable and responsible with protection and STI screening, and would like to treat said casual partner like an actual human and not just an object?
It seems like that arrangement would be very attractive to lots of women but when I disclose my ENM status right from the start, they will say that they love my energy and personality but they just can’t do non-monogamy (which I am not looking for an additional full-time partner) even if they said themself they are looking for just no-strings fun? Is it mostly an internalized mono-normative thing? Are they themselves doing the “backdoor fwb turned committed relationship” maneuver without even realizing it?
Poly-NO-mial
DEAR POLY-NO-MIAL: First question, PNM: how, exactly, are women going to know about these aspects of yours? Are you listing these in your profile? Telling women about it when you message them? Hoping they can divine it through the air? The way you deliver that info might be part of the problem. Some of that – like “would treat said casual partner like an actual person” is very much a “show, don’t tell” sort of scenario.
But let’s actually dig in to your issue.
The problem here is that you’re asking the wrong question. You’re asking something that I can’t answer, and what answers you would get won’t actually address the issue.
I can’t tell you why women are bouncing off your being ethically non-monogamous for two reasons.
First: there’s not going to be ONE reason; it’s going to be a reason or reasons that are specific to that individual. Many folks may share similar reasons, but it’s still going to come down to that particular person, not some overarching, universally applicable cause.
There are any number of reasons why someone might not want to rock with an ethically non-monogamous partner, even if it’s just for no-strings fun and games with your pants off. They may have had negative experiences with non-mongogamous relationships before, or they may have been put off by the polyamorous communities they’ve seen or been part of. They may feel like hooking up with someone who has (or may eventually have) other partners means that the potential for drama is too high for their comfort. Still others may well be neck deep in mono-normativity and just don’t want anything to do ENM at all.
Some folks like casual relationships but prefer them if it at least feels like there’s the potential for more – and there’s a pretty healthy track record of FWBs and casual relationships that turned serious. Alternatively, they may feel as though getting involved with a poly person would create the vibe that they’re being auditioned as a potential addition to the polycule.
You may practice (or they expect) a form of non-monogamy they don’t rock with; if you’re a kitchen-table poly person, they may not want to have to meet the rest of your extended pod. There are also many, many people – mostly, but not exclusively men – who lie about being ethically non-monogamous and they just don’t feel like taking the risk that you’re one of them.
And, of course, there’s always the possibility that the issue is that they’re just not digging you, per se, and the ENM is an easy way out without saying that.
But the second – and more important reason is that it doesn’t matter. What you need to remember is that the reason why they’re not into ENM – even if you would theoretically be a good match – isn’t what’s important. The important thing is that this is a dealbreaker for them, and there’s not really anything else to be done about it.
The issue with trying to unpack the reasons for why someone who seems to be looking for a guy like you, but balks at the ENM issue is that knowing the reasons won’t actually make a difference. If they’re saying “thanks but no thanks”, trying to dig into the whys and wherefores aren’t going to change anything. It’s not as though there’s a way to tactfully say “I see what you’re worried about, but you’re wrong” in a way that’s not going to come off as intensely presumptive and condescending, nor is it going to change their mind. Reason and emotion can run parallel, but changing one isn’t automatically going to change the other. If they’ve decided that ENM is not for them, or if it’s just the convenient excuse, then that’s more or less the end of that.
I will note that you could, theoretically, leave off the part about your being non-monogamous if your partner or partners aren’t going to be an issue. If your Hinge match is just looking for an NSA hook-up and not expecting regular dates or hang-outs where your relationship status might be an issue, then an argument could be made that the existence or non-existence of other partners is less relevant. The same applies for folks who have a Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell arrangement with their partners.
Do I think this the most ethical way of handling the issue? No.
While I do think that until two people have the exclusivity talk, folks shouldn’t assume or expect to be the one-and-only, I do think acknowledging the existence of other partners (even if they’re totally cool with your hooking up without their involvement and/or you have a legitimate DADT arrangement) is the better choice.
But leaving it out is an option. You’re going to deal with folks who have very strong options about lies-of-omission, but hey: you roll the dice and you take your chances.
However, my honest opinion is that your time would be better spent finding folks who are open to non-monogamy, or who are more open to you, specifically. For the former, finding the folks who opted in – either in their profiles, or on more specialized apps like Feeld or #Open. For the latter, you may be better off meeting people in person and letting them get to know you. Either way, you’re much more likely to get better results, better flings, happier FWBs and far fewer drinks thrown in your face when the truth comes out.
Good luck.
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