DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I’ve (24/M) been interested in “Mary-Anne” (26/F) for a while now, ever since she was introduced to my circle of friends by a mutual. She’s practically like someone built my perfect woman in a lab. She’s beautiful, intelligent, and funny, we’re both gamers and love D&D and stuff like Critical Role. I could listen to her talk for hours because she’s got wild ideas and theories about stuff and even if I don’t agree or think she’s wrong, they’re at least fascinating or hilarious.
The problem is, I’m having trouble figuring out if she’s interested in me too. We got along great from the first time we met, we DM each other often outside of the group chat my friends and I have, we’ve hung out in groups and gone to events together, so I know she at least likes me a little. I just don’t know HOW.
The problem is that I can’t seem to read her signals. Sometimes I think she’s flirting with me, but other times she’s just friendly. For example, she’ll laugh at my jokes and touch my arm, but then she’ll mention another guy she’s interested in or say that we’re just friends.
I’ve tried to initiate one-on-one time with her, but I always have to chase her down. I’m usually the one who starts the conversation (she does occasionally message me, first), and she always seems to be busy or unavailable. When we do hang out, it’s because we’re at the same group things together. We’ll spend time talking when it’s just us at them, so I don’t know what would be different about it just being her and me, not her and me and four or five other people. What’s the difference between coming outside to keep talking to me when I need to smoke and going out, just us, if everyone else is in a different room or different part of the house? I don’t know if she’s intentionally avoiding being alone with me, or if it’s just a coincidence.
I’m starting to feel frustrated because I don’t know if she’s interested in me romantically or if I’m just stuck in the friend zone. I don’t want to ruin our friendship by making a move if she’s not interested, but I also don’t want to miss my chance.
Why is she cool with hanging out with me alone when we’re out with other people, but doesn’t want to see me when it’s just us?
Thank you for your help.
Sincerely,
Doesn’t See The Difference
DEAR DOESN’T SEE THE DIFFERENCE: This one’s easy, DSTD, but I’m afraid it’s not what you want to hear. She likes you, but not the way you hope.
She knows you’re interested in her as more than a friend. She’s also almost certainly hoping that you’re going to pick up on the “not interested in you as a lover” vibe, so she doesn’t have to make things awkward by turning you down directly.
So here’s the thing: I tell people all the time not to assume too much based on any one point of data. If you’re having a hard time trying to get someone to spend time with you because they’re always busy or always have a scheduling conflict, that doesn’t mean they’re trying to avoid you. People can be stupidly busy and not have the time or energy to spend time with people, even people they really would like to see. Similarly, not being the first to initiate a message or to DM someone doesn’t mean that they’re not into you; sometimes they’re afraid to message first because they worry about bothering you. Other times, that’s just the dynamic of how your friendship works.
But to paraphrase the sage: one sign of potential disinterest is happenstance. Two is coincidence. Three is enemy acti^H^H^H a message.
Case in point: she’s cool with being alone with you at parties or group get togethers, but doesn’t seem interested in doing stuff with you, solo. The difference, in the words of It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia, is “the implication.”
That is: what is the unspoken, hidden meaning or subtext of the interaction, you’re having?
If, for example, you’re all at a friend’s house to watch Critical Role’s Twitch stream – to pull a random example – and she comes outside with you to continue the conversation you were having while you take a smoke break, there’s going to be a different subtext to the interaction than if you two were out, just the two of you.
The fact that this is a group event, something you’re both attending specifically because you’re hanging out with mutual friends in the same space, means that this isn’t going to have the same subtext as the two of you going out to do something together. She’s willing to hang out with you individually, at group events, because the implication isn’t romantic or sexual. She likes talking to you and wants to keep the conversation going, but there’s always that subtext of “this is a friends group event” to it. In all likelihood, she’s relying on that subtext to discourage you from seeing it as an opportunity to be romantic. Since you clearly are hesitant to actually try to say anything where other people may overhear or interrupt, this means that you’re less likely to say the unspoken thing she knows is there and is trying to avoid.
If it were just the two of you, from start to finish, with the intention of it just being the two of you out together, doing stuff… well, you’re clearly bringing the implication that this is a date-like activity. I suspect that if you weren’t giving of the “I really want to date you” vibes, then she’d be more inclined to hang out as friends. As long as the implication that this is – or could be – a date, then she’s going to have reasons why she can’t make it.
In other words, while any one thing she’s doing could be an unfortunate coincidence, putting it all together makes it pretty clear that she’s giving you a soft “no”; that is, the subtext to her action is that she is cool with being your friend, but doesn’t want to have to make things overt. She likes you… but she’s a little worried about how you’ll take it if she turns the subtext into text.
And honestly… it’s hard to blame her. Almost every woman out there can tell you about a guy she thought of as just a friend who tried to pull Schrodinger’s Date on her, where they were both on and not on a date, depending on how she reacted. And just as many can tell you: a lot of guys they thought of as friends reacted badly when they were turned down directly. So the odds are good that she’s had this happen to her before, and she’s trying to avoid it this time around with you.
Are you likely to turn into a hate-fueled rage monster by getting a direct “no” instead of a soft, socially acceptable rejection that doesn’t underline a lack of romantic interest? Probably not. But too many women – likely including Mary-Anne – have had it happen to them. So rather than risking a negative response, having a way of waving you off that doesn’t directly hit you in the ego feels like the safer choice.
I suspect you already know this; you just don’t want it to be true. You’re hoping for a different answer, which is why you’re reaching out to me instead. You want reasons to hold onto hope instead of letting go of this particular crush. Trust me: I have been there, done that and wrote the cringy LiveJournal posts about it.
It sucks, I know. But this is one of those times that you have to remember that having a crush on someone doesn’t mean that they’re going to be the last person you ever feel like this for, or that giving up on making that crush come to fruition is a betrayal of your sense of self.
If you genuinely enjoy spending time with her, then I think the best thing you can do is accept her friendship on the terms she’s offering and let this awkward crush fade. And while I know it’s hard – especially the way you feel right now – don’t take this as a judgement on you as a person.
You aren’t going to be able to fully appreciate this now, but hopefully this will be a comfort to you later, when the sting isn’t so fresh: just because someone doesn’t like you the way you want doesn’t mean they don’t like you at all or the best that they can.
She likes you, DSTD. Just not the way you hoped. Be her friend instead. Friendship isn’t second place to love; it’s a reward in its own right.
Good luck.
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