DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I’ve been trying to find an answer to my situation and I don’t think I’ve seen anyone answer a question like mine before, so I hope you can help me. I have a problem that isn’t like most people’s. I need to tell my girlfriend that I’m not actually a virgin like she thinks I am.
I guess I should explain. I (20, M) have been dating my girlfriend “Samantha” (20, F) for about three months now. When we met, I’d told her that I hadn’t had a real relationship before and she was excited to be my first. In fact, she’s been incredibly excited to be my first for everything, including my first time.
Samantha’s been incredibly loving and supportive and doesn’t think that my having never dated before is a bad thing, which I really appreciate. I was afraid that she was going to see my having never had a girlfriend as some sort of red flag. But that’s what makes things awkward. You see, she’s looking forward to my losing my virginity to her, but I’m not actually a virgin.
I was never one of the cool kids in high-school but I had friends who were friends with them, so when they would get invited to parties, I’d get to go along. The summer of my junior year, I went to a party at someone’s house and got drunk for the first time. Apparently I ended up dancing with a girl I knew, then we were making out on the dance floor and then later on she and I hooked up. I honestly don’t remember much about things, just a lot of unclear memories and waking up with both of us trying to get back into our clothes and trying not to be sick at the same time. The only thing we know for sure is that there was a used condom in the trash. She and I never really talked about it after, but she was always friendly to me afterwards so I guess we had a good time?
Anyway, I haven’t brought this up to Samantha and I don’t really know how to say “hey, I know we talked about your being my first but I’m not really a virgin”. I’m worried that she’s going to be hurt that I lied and I’m going to get dumped because I wasn’t honest with her. My friends tell me I shouldn’t say anything and that my first time didn’t really count since I was drunk. My conscience tells me I should tell her everything. I don’t know what I should do.
Please help?
Feels Like The First Time
DEAR FEELS LIKE THE FIRST TIME: Alright before we get to your answer, FLTFT, I’m going to be honest: your question sounds an awful lot like the plot to a book I read a few years ago, so I’m going to reiterate the DNL policy on potentially fake letters: if the question may be helpful to other folks in similar situations, I don’t worry about whether a letter is 100% authentic. Every letter is ultimately hypothetical to everyone who reads it – besides the original writer, anyway – so the idea that someone’s trying to sneak one by me doesn’t bother me that much.
And to be blunt, I don’t run the ones that’re obviously in bad faith or obviously trying to pull a fast one on me to shit on someone else.
Since your question deals with some topics, especially regarding virginity, what “counts” as losing your virginity and honesty in relationships, we’re just gonna roll with it.
So with all that in mind, FLTFT… this is an interesting one. I get a fairly sizable number of questions about whether people – usually, but not exclusively men – should conceal the fact that they’re a virgin from potential partners. Most of the time, if I’ve gotten questions about people who want to hide that they’re not a virgin, it’s usually from women who come from incredibly conservative religious or cultural backgrounds. So a guy hiding his having HAD sex is, admittedly, a novel one here at NerdLove Industries.
However, this is one of those times when I think you actually have two questions running in parallel. The first question would be “is it ethical or permissible to lie about being a virgin (or not)”. The second would be “what counts as losing your virginity?”
I want to tackle that second question first, in no small part because, frankly, I think it’s the more important one. For all that people make a fuss about the significance of (or problem with) being a virgin, virginity isn’t really a thing. It’s a social construct, not an actual state of being, and there really isn’t any meaningful definition that isn’t full of more holes than a ten pound block of Swiss cheese. What, precisely, defines virginity and how do you define losing it? If it’s strictly about penetration, then that opens up a lot of questions. Do gold-star lesbians count as virgins since they’d never had sex with men? Do gay men who only do oral sex or don’t have anal sex count as virgins or non-virgins? What about a gay man who’s strictly a bottom? Does it count if it’s anal penetration and if that’s the case, does that mean that the Christian kids who tried to exploit God’s Little Loophole aren’t virgins?
If someone penetrates their partner with a strap-on, does that count as losing one’s virginity, and if so, who’s the one losing it, the person doing the penetrating or the receiving? And for that matter, if a sex toy like a dildo or vibrator would count in that instance, does that mean that someone could theoretically lose their virginity to themselves?
Similarly, if we accept PIV penetration as the defining standard for virginity, then what precisely counts? If someone doesn’t fully penetrate – they go soft, they play “just the tip” – does that count? How many thrusts are needed for it to technically be sex? Do the Mormons who practice “soaking” (don’t Google that at work) count? What if they have someone jumping on the bed for them? For that matter, what about if penetration may or may not have happened? Does it really count – or count for less – if someone loses their virginity to a sex worker? If a guy loses his virginity in the woods and nobody’s there to witness it, does it really count?
If you ask me – and, well, you did – I’d say that intent matters far more than the actual act. Oral sex is sex; it’s right there in the name. So is anal sex. So are other forms of getting people off. I think if you and your partner decide to interact with each other’s genitals for the purpose of intimacy and/or orgasm, I think it’s fair to define that as “sex” for one’s purposes, in no small part because it doesn’t f--king matter except to the people doing the deed. A person who’s got a hymen isn’t meaningfully different from someone who doesn’t and a person who’s put their junk in someone else’s – or had someone else in theirs – isn’t magically different from someone who’s never had anything of the sort. It’s just an experience that someone has or hasn’t had yet, no more or less significant or important than someone who’s been downhill skiing or bungee jumping.
Not having been skiing only means as much as any one person decides it does. Same with having sex.
In your case, FLTFT, you had a sexual experience of some sort. You and your partner were apparently hammered, so there’s an open question as to what happened. You might’ve had sex, you might have orgasmed as soon as the condom was on, you and your partner may have used a condom for oral sex… there are enough unknowns here that this almost serves as Schrodinger’s First Time. In the absence of evidence otherwise – and really, I’d say this even if there were video proof of the two of you going at it like Jorge El Niño and an obliging MILF – I think you’re in a position to decide for yourself whether this “counts” or not. So if you want to either say it doesn’t “count” or assume that you didn’t complete the deed, you’re well within your rights to do so. Or you can decide that it did “count” and you are now in the Fraternal Order of Sex Havers. Up to you, really.
The question of “is it ethical to not tell your girlfriend” is… well, that’s where it gets thornier, mostly because now it involves someone else’s informed consent to a degree. A lot depends on how your girlfriend feels about this. Most of the time, the guys who are worried about lying about their status as virgins are worried that their partners are going to see that as a red flag – mostly under the assumption that their partners would assume this means there’s something wrong with them or that they’re just going to be shit in bed. Your circumstances are a bit different, and a lot depends on your girlfriend’s feelings on the subject.
Would she, for example, not have started dating you if she knew that you weren’t one of the Great Untouched? Is her interest in sleeping with you contingent on your status as a virgin? If she would have decided otherwise, then yeah, it’s not cool to lie about it. But what if it’s not a lie? What if you decided that no, that experience didn’t count? Well… on the one hand, I could see an argument for saying that you’re telling the truth and that this isn’t a lie, at least to you. But on the other, if she has strong feelings about what virginity means, then “it’s true… from a certain point of view” has never really mollified anyone.
(Ask some OG Star Wars fans about how that worked out.)
At the same time, however, I think that how you genuinely feel about it – and I emphasize “genuinely”, not just claiming it so that you can bang someone – matters more. If someone’s going to lose their shit because they think X counts and you don’t, then that’s more of a “them” problem and a matter of compatibility than ethics. Think of it this way: if a guy will refuse to sleep with another person because that person doesn’t have an intact hymen, that’s the guy’s issue. Hymens aren’t signs of virginity and the lack of one doesn’t mean that someone’s had sex.
Now with all that having been said: I’d err on the side of honesty with your girlfriend. Not because I think your not telling her would be bad – especially since the odds of her ever finding out are low – but because you seem to want an emotionally intimate and lasting relationship with her. Sharing this aspect of your history with her in all it’s confusion and complicated feelings is a sign of trust and vulnerability – things that help make a strong and successful relationship. It’s not as much about informed consent so much as “this is part of who I am and what makes me me”, information that she would likely appreciate. I don’t think that this knowledge would influence her decision, but I think it would give her a more complete and rounded picture of you as a person and influence how the two of you go about having sex for the first time.
My advice is to have an Awkward Conversation about this. Explain that you haven’t told her about this because you feel conflicted and a bit embarrassed about it, how you have some complex feelings about whether that encounter “counts” or not and how what you ultimately want is for your “real” first time to be one that you deliberately chose, with someone who’s important to you, not an event that you can barely remember and one that you aren’t even entirely sure what you did. I would emphasize that you still think of yourself as being a virgin, even if this would slide under a technicality and that you see the intimacy and connection with her as being more significant and important to you than a random hook up. The odds are good that she’ll understand and that she’ll appreciate your being open and vulnerable with her about this.
And for the record, I think you can claim having sex with her as being you official first time. The fact that it’s likely going to be much more significant and meaningful to the two of you is more important than any technicalities from a night you can barely remember.
Good luck.
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