DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I need to get your opinion on something that’s happened to me several times now. Here’s what happens: I meet someone, we get along great, we start dating and have sex. Then we get to the point where we talk about what we’re into. It almost starts with her going first, then she asks me about what I like in bed, what my fantasies are, my kinks, stuff like that.
Then I tell her what I’m into or what I fantasize about and then I get an “ew” or something and then within a couple weeks we’ve broken up.
I don’t want to get into specifics, but my interests are pretty tame. They’re not vanilla, but it’s all pretty common, low-end beginner stuff. I’m not into anything dangerous (no blood play, choking), extreme (scat, urine) or nasty (age play, DD/LG, rape/noncon). And what pisses me off is that they asked and I’m being honest, so here I am trying to be real with them and I get smacked in the face for it.
What gives? Should I just stop telling the truth about what I’m into? Why do women keep asking me about my kinks when they don’t actually want me to tell them?
Just Being Honest
DEAR JUST BEING HONEST: I wish you hadn’t declared that you weren’t going to get into details, JBH, because details like that are the sort of thing that can be pretty important. Your idea of “beginner kink” may not be the same as other peoples’, especially if they’re not used to kink or fetish play. People’s tastes vary, and you can’t really control for that.
You may think that foot worship – to pull a random example – isn’t a big deal. And in fairness, as far as kinks go, it’s pretty tame. But for a lot of folks, that’s a line they just can’t cross; they think feet are weird, or gross and the idea of doing anything sexual with someone’s feet squick them out. Or if you’re into restraints and spanking, they may assume that you’re pulling a 50 Shades of Gray and taking out your innate dislike or hate of your mother (or someone) on women. Or you might be into shibari or suspension and folks think that’s too weird/scary/dangerous/whatever.
But honestly? I don’t really think your kink is the problem here. I think the problem are the women you’re dating.
Right off the bat, I feel like you were caught in a trap of sorts. While it’s not reasonable to say “everyone has to be cool with everyone else’s interests no matter what”, there’s something unfair to my mind to ask somebody that you’re presumably dating and being intimate with to be vulnerable and honest and then to punish them for doing so. Asking someone about what they’re into or what they fantasize about and then saying “ew” or reacting with disgust is hurtful, especially when it’s something they specifically asked about. And it puts someone like you in an awkward position where if you tell them, you get this negative reaction, but if you don’t tell them then it’s worse. Either you downplay what you’re into, which means that you’re not being honest with them (and making it harder to bring up your kinks later) or you avoid the question or refuse to say, which just leaves the impression you’re into something awful.
So I take something of a dim view about asking somebody what they’re into when the only answer you’re willing to accept is some soft-focus, candle-lit, flowers-on-the-bed, slow-jazz-scored isn’t-it-so-romantic scenario and you’re going to get upset at them for not having your fantasy locked, loaded and ready to go. I’m a big believer in “your kink isn’t my kink and that’s ok,”. If you’re not into somebody’s particular flavor of ‘yum’, that’s totally fine. And while I’m a believer in what Dan Savage calls “being good, giving and game within reason”, that “within reason” part is going to be different for everyone.
But creating a situation of “I’m only willing to accept a narrow range of answers and if you don’t fit those, you’re bad” is fundamentally unfair. Especially when you (the generic ‘you’) are the one who brought it up in the first place.
I don’t think the problem is that you’re being honest. I think that in some ways, you’re almost being set up to fail. Maybe not intentionally or consciously, but the effect is the same.
I also think part of the problem is who you’re dating. If you’re a kinkster, even someone with tame kinks, you’re going to run into a lot of folks who just aren’t kinky. That’s just a demographic issue, and one a lot of kinksters run into; there’re more men in the kink scene than there are women. And depending on how old you are and how old the women you’re dating are and where you live, you may be dealing with a dating pool where most of the folks you meet are going to have negative views about kink.
So I think the first thing you may want to do is be more discerning about where you’re looking for potential partners and who you’re choosing to date. One option is, obviously, to make looking in the kink community a higher priority. Fetlife may not be a dating site per-se (it’s more akin to social media for kinky people), but you’re going to be dealing with a pool of people who’ve very deliberately opted in for meeting up with fellow kinksters. Similarly, some sites like Feeld or even OKCupid have options for people to signal that they’re interested in kink or curious about it; prioritizing those folks means you’re going to have fewer issues of folks rejecting you for your interests.
You might also want to bring up that you’re kinky or kink-adjacent in your dating profiles. Letting folks know that you’re kinky in your description means that folks who are cool with it or interested in it can find you, while folks who aren’t can swipe left and move on to people they are compatible with.
Now all that having been said, it’s also possible that the way you’re rolling things out is the issue. If you’re using in-group lingo (like foot worship/DD-LG, etc.) and the women you’re dating aren’t familiar with what those terms mean, you could be having a problem where they’re reacting to their ideas of what you do. A lot of people who aren’t more familiar with kink beyond what they see on PornHub (or hear about second or third hand) might be surprised to find out that bondage scenes tend to be scripted out in advance and are a collaboration between the sub and the dominant. Or they may not realize that kink relationships aren’t all 24/7; not everyone’s walking around in a collar or on a leash every day. So if you can roll things out a bit more genteelly, in less specialized or suggestive terms, then you might have a better time.
By that same token, you may want to emphasize what’s fantasy and what’s a “must have”. Sometimes the issue can be that what you’re saying is “here’s a thing I find exciting” or “I’d like to do this some day”, but what they’re hearing is “If you’re going to date me, you’re going to be spending a lot of time in my Red Room of Pain”. If it’s “I’d like to try X” or “I enjoy doing Y on occasion“, then they may be more willing to hear it out or even consider it. It’s much easier to take things in as a theoretical than if they worry that this conversation means that you’re expecting them to get into the harness right away.
This can be especially true if the reaction they have is a knee-jerk, automatic response that they’ve been conditioned to have, rather than a real dislike. Sometimes the conflict is what we’ve been acculturated to, rather than what we actually feel. When given a little time to process and think about it, the response we may have – especially if our partner is cool about it – can change to a “maybe” or even a “yes”.
It’s also worth being willing to consider your own reaction to her “ew”. Yeah I know, I just said that it’s not cool of them to do that, but this gets back to the knee-jerk response. If your behavior changes significantly after she responds that way – you get defensive or act hurt or angry or get passive-aggressive about it, then the issue may not be your kink so much as how you respond when being told “no”. If that is what’s ultimately triggering the break ups, then learning how to take things in stride is going to be important. Yeah, it stings to be vulnerable and get metaphorically smacked for it, but if you can demonstrate through your actions that you’re a good guy who cares about his partner’s comfort and interests? That no could be a yes in time. After all, not everyone was born kinky. Some folks got into kink because they fell in love with a kinky person and got into it because their partner liked it. If you want to maximize the chances of this happening to you? Be ready to roll with the “ew” and not get bent out of shape about it. That may be the difference between breaking up and your girlfriend deciding she wants to hear more, in time.
Good luck.
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