DEAR DR. NERDLOVE:
I really thought things were turning around. After 7 years of trying, I finally got a job to start my career with. I also finally felt like I can handle the s--t when interested and asking out a person.
However, other than a few people I work with, that I won’t pursue unless I get much clearer signals, I’m out of ideas. I don’t know where to find unattached women looking to date. All my friends are uninterested, seeing other people, or scattered to the winds. Apps are a s--t show where getting any match (ones who ignore me) is truly a rare day. My supportive friends can’t think of any women they know that I might hit it off with. The places where the women I like congregate are not places appropriate to approach people, especially women (libraries, bookstores).
So, I’m out of ideas. I know the “power” women have is just them making choices like I do, but the fact is, they aren’t choosing me at all. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong to fix it. And I don’t know where to meet women in the first place.
I’m trying to keep following my goals (getting in better shape, maintaining my mental health) but it’s really difficult to continue when I don’t see any way to work on something I am trying so hard on and hold so important.
Thanks for listening,
Lost in the Sauce
DEAR LOST IN THE SAUCE: A couple quick questions for you, LITS: first of all, are you actually talking to people, or are you waiting around for someone to send up a flare or wave you over with semaphore? When I hear men talk about “people aren’t choosing me”, especially outside of dating apps, what they usually mean is that women aren’t either approaching first, or else the men aren’t getting signals to the level of “Hi, you’re hot and I want you to take me into the bathroom where I will drain you dry.”
Second: when you talk about “not appropriate places to approach people”, are you talking about doing approaches, or are you do you mean even striking up a casual conversation?
Both of these are important, because many times, they’re a pretty good indicator of what’s holding folks back.
Let’s take the “doing approaches” part first. This is something that trips people up a lot. One of the things that folks don’t realize is that part of what screws them up is that they’re looking at the interaction as a sudden pop-quiz that’s pass/fail; they need to convince this person – whom they often know very little about – to be interested in starting a romantic or sexual relationship with them the very first time they’ve so much as said two words to each other. This is, needless to say, not how the vast majority of people meet their partners or start their relationships, and treating it that way puts an absurd amount of pressure on you to “perform” everything perfectly.
It also makes things incredibly uncomfortable for everyone involved.
When you’re looking at this from a “doing approaches” mentality, instead of a “strike up a conversation with someone”, then you’re framing the interaction in a way that isn’t going to feel as natural or authentic to everyone. What ends up happening is that you often come to it from a place of supplication, if you will; you’re trying to ask this person to approve of you and be impressed by you enough to “choose” you. In a way, it’s like applying for a job at a (theoretically) exclusive and discriminating employer. But that’s a bad way to look at dating, especially when it comes to a person you likely have only just met.
To start with: you know nothing about this person, other than the fact that you find them attractive. You don’t know if the two of you are compatible or not, you don’t know if they have qualities that you’d consider to be deal-breakers… hell, you don’t even know if they’re a good person or not. To go in with the mentality that you need to do your mating song and dance routine well enough to win them over when you don’t even know if her idea of a nutritious breakfast is to devour live goslings every morning is to invest a stranger with too much power and importance. Similarly, because you’re coming to it from a place of “please choose me,” you’re setting yourself up for a mental framework where you are seeking the approval of someone you don’t know. This makes it incredibly difficult to feel confident and secure in the connection you have; it’s an entirely one-sided interaction, where you’ve signed up for being in the weaker position.
Instead, you want to handle meeting people from a position of “Ok, I find you physically attractive. I want to see if there’s more to it than that.” Rather than going into the interaction feeling like you need to impress them or win their approval, you want to see if they’re worth your time. Are they someone who’s right for you? Are they someone who’s worthy of your approval? Not because you should be “in charge” of the interaction or the dominant partner but because your time is valuable, your emotional investment is valuable and you don’t want to spend it on someone who isn’t right for you. If it turns out that yes, there is more there than the fact that they’re hot… well, cool, now the two of you can see if you two mesh well together. Relationships – even one-night stands – are partnerships after all, and they work best when eveyone’s approaching them from a jam band approach. Instead of “You must prove yourself to me” or “I must win your approval;”, you want “ok, here’s what I bring to the table, here’s what you’re bringing, let’s see what happens when we put it together.”
And the best way to do this? Slow your roll. Instead of treating each woman as a potential date that you’re trying to lock down ASAP, think of it as a process of exploration, discovery and due diligence – something too important to be rushed. This means, instead of focusing on “doing approaches”, you just… want to have conversations. Just talking to someone as a person instead of a potential date, goes a long, long way towards building the sort of connection and attraction you’re looking for. When you are treating them as someone to get to know, instead of “is she single, does she like me, ok lets get a date”, then you take the pressure off everyone. Instead of feeling like you need to do your best Fred Astaire impression, you can just relax and engage with her in a way that’s both organic but also authentic.
Now this doesn’t mean you avoid showing your most polished self… but you’re doing so in a way that’s genuine, instead of waving your fluffed up plumage like a lonely peacock. After all, you want someone to be into you for you, not just the you that’s doing the “please please pick me” routine.
The second thing is that, if you’re waiting around for someone to send the “take me now you manly stallion” signal… you’re likely going to be waiting for a long time. Even women who’re looking to f--k like weasels on meth aren’t going to put out neon signs; they want someone who’s not just desirable but also safe… and who would be worth taking a risk on. And as I’ve said before: since women face a disproportionate level of risk when it comes to dating, it’s understandable that they’re going to be more cautious and subtle when it comes to signaling interest.
But at the same time, this feeling of “ok, need to be getting clear UNMISTAKABLE SIGNALS that couldn’t possibly be misunderstood” comes, in part, from looking at women from a “potential date” mindset first instead of a “get to know them and see if I’d want them in my life” mindset. If you’re looking at every woman you see or have around you as a potential date before you even talk to them? Yeah, that’s going to make it a lot harder, especially if you’re not in a place where the social context says “we are here to find potential hook-ups”.
But here’s the thing: while women at, say, bookstores, aren’t there to get picked up… it’s a rare (single) woman indeed who doesn’t like the idea of meeting a charming new friend who likes many of the things that she does. And if that charming new friendship has some chemistry and it leads to something more? Well hell, that’s the sort of thing romance novels and romcoms are written about, isn’t it?
Now at this point I’m sure you’ve noticed that I’ve been focusing on how you talk to women you may want to date, not where to go to meet them. But that’s the thing: they’re potentially everywhere; that’s part of why I tell folks to go where the women they’re most interested like to congregate. But by treating this as opportunities to be social and meet new people, rather than “go here to get a date for Saturday”, you take the pressure off yourself to “perform” and make it much easier to meet folks. By changing your outlook, you take away the self-imposed “pass/fail” mentality and instead meet cool new people… some of whom you may find attractive. And if you go in with a mindset of being social and charming and open to meeting awesome people, you make it that much more likely that you’re going to find folks who would love to meet a charming stranger, rather than someone looking to fill up an open slot on the weekend.
So change how you’re looking at this, LITS. Meet folks who seem cool, get to know them and find out if they’re worth your time. If they are, then, see if you’re still interested in them and give them a chance to be interested in you. Taking a more measured approach may feel like it’s too slow, but hey: slow is smooth and smooth is fast.
Good luck.
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