DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I’m a guy soon turning 26. I’ve been reading your blog for some years and it has really helped me improve, going from having had no relationship and very little dating experience to having my first girlfriend. Especially your piece on neediness and external validation. That really changed my life, set me up to be a happier person, and the insight played a large part in being able to get into my first relationship. I’m currently “back on the market”, and my long term goal is finding a serious committed relationship. I just need some advice.
After years of reading your blog but not really putting what I read into action, because I was too afraid to date and the shadow of high school still looming over me, I jump started my life by moving out into my own flat, joining Tinder, and taking up an old hobby, as I began a new university programme in my favourite town. This was preceded by an event which made me understand that my inexperience with dating, relationships and just the opposite sex in general, had become problematic. It was a situation in which two of my closest friends at the time started a relationship and I felt seriously hurt and left out, to the extent that I became depressed and lost both friends. Truth is, which I did not understand until some time later after running into the same problem again while dating, I was extremely needy and craved validation. It was just an unaddressed aspect of my personality that lay dormant (because I had avoided women and dating) but came out when it was triggered by this event. It wasn’t until I read your piece about neediness and external validation that I understood it, combined with my recent experience. When I read it, it literally felt like a weight had been lifted off my shoulders. A few days later I lost my virginity. Coincidence? I think not!
But on to my current problems. That was back in 2019. Now I’ve had my first relationship . It never really reached a serious stage, because I didn’t feel she was right for me, and she had other priorities in life at the moment. Nothing wrong with that at all. I really enjoyed and grew during our fun time together, but I wanted to take the next step and have a committed relationship.
The thing with relationships are that they are both incredibly difficult and at the same time incredibly easy to find. Difficult, because you may have to spend hours and hours of your time spread over months if not years on doing menial things like swiping, chatting, and going on first-dates. Things that honestly can feel like a waste of time when it’s leading nowhere. Not that it is a waste, after all it is a filtering process and dating is a numbers game. And dating is a skill, where practice makes perfect (or at least better). Rejections don’t sting anymore, and I have become more outcome-independent in dating. But then, when you actually meet someone where that mutual attraction exists, and where you are compatible in other aspects, it will feel incredibly easy (in the early stages at least). It will feel as though you’re in cruise control and everything just seems to flow on naturally. It’s really deceiving.
Perhaps that’s why I feel dating is so frustrating. When I had my first and only relationship thus far, it felt easy in the beginning. I didn’t even know what I was doing right to make it just roll on. Truth is, I was probably doing a lot of things right that I hadn’t done before, things I had learnt from my recent dating experience and from reading your blog. Going back to actively dating after my first relationship ended, I was excited because I thought I had turned a corner, gained more maturity and experience and wanted that I could put to work. But I made the mistake of thinking dating would be easier. Fact of the matter is, it was just as hard as before, and I gave up on Tinder without even getting a single reply back from any of my two matches, during my first time around back on the app. I never found a rebound elsewhere either and still think I haven’t gotten over my ex fully.
I think you will sniff out a certain obsession with Tinder here. I wouldn’t really call it an obsession. It’s just I don’t know any other routes to dating really. It was through Tinder that I began actively dating, and I know no other way. And yet I never succeeded substantially with anyone I met from there. I’ve never gotten beyond three dates or had sex with anyone from Tinder, even though I felt more compatible with some of them than I was with my ex. My ex and I didn’t meet online, we met at one of my student clubs. But then again our relationship began with an impulsive one night stand after a late night at the pub, following one of our regular meetings. She kept coming back however, and that turned into a regular FwB-situation that turned into a short period of exclusivity before we went our separate ways. Over a period of about 8 months. We never really dated. I’ve never made dating work. And that’s not because there is a lack of other women in my life. I would say most of my friends and acquaintances are actually girls my age and life situation. True platonic friends that I really appreciate and which have helped me grow as a person.
I would not call that a problem, it’s actually a gift, a resource in my life. I have actively been working on making friends with girls, without seeing them as potential partners, because before in time I had no friends who were girls and I think that was hurting my social and personal development. Also, I have never intended to “headshot” a girlfriend, I realised that the first step was creating a single life I genuinely enjoyed, as well as a community of friends.
It has helped that my hobby, my true passion in life, is practiced by 99 % women, and I’m on the board of a student club that engage in activities for people who do this hobby, both competitions and activities as well as purely social events (and I’m the only guy, but I don’t feel any different actually, it’s great!). One problem though, I think, is that I’ve become very good and very comfortable at making friends with girls, to the point where I don’t really know how to introduce myself to girls as a potential date. And once someone sees you as only a friend from the very beginning, because that’s how I acted and presented myself, I think it can be very hard to break that image, both from my point of view and hers. When I began doing my hobby a couple of years back I was excited to both make female friends, as well as potentially picking up dates from the people I would meet through our shared hobby. The latter hasn’t happened, perhaps because I prioritised the former (which I think wasn’t even the wrong choice btw, it has really provided me with a community of friends, a “Team Me” and given me new insights through their sharing their perspective with me)
Hence why I think my first relationship could begin at least. It began with sex. It was obviously more-than-friendly from the beginning and we could proceed from there because the attraction was there and we knew it. But I don’t really know how to translate this insight into dating. I’ve never had sex with anyone I’ve dated. And that’s not because I haven’t taken a lot of your dating advice to heart; I’ve focused on improving my presentation (a lot), making those personal connections, on breaking the touch barrier, flirted through mischievous and light-hearted banter; I mean I’ve done my best. And I’ve had some fun and successful dates too, but honestly, how many people are you actually going to meet through Tinder before your matches dry up? The big difference between meeting girls on Tinder and in reality I think is the fact that it’s automatically framed as dating on Tinder. I just never get to that stage of having sex; I always get rejected before it happens. I keep coming back to how things started with my ex. Through sex. But I’m not having sex through dating. So my conclusion is that dating is useless if you want a relationship.
(And I’m not just treating sex as a functional device to get into relationships here. Sex should and can be a fun activity in and by it self without commitment, and I wouldn’t mind having more casual sex in my life. The pandemic has made this somewhat difficult though, but we’ll see what happens come summer when the clubs and bars begin open up again. I think I’m beyond having drunken one night stands though, since the sex is usually not very enjoyable. But, I think all relationships at some early stage go through an uncommitted, casual sexual phase, which again just seems to prove my point.)
Sorry for this long ramble. I know all this sounds ridiculous, hence why I’m writing to you. In the jungle that is online dating advice, you’re one of the good guys, and I want to be one of the good guys too in the dating world. I really feel as though I need a 3rd person perspective on how to view this differently or more accurately; some solid, concrete advice on what I should be doing differently; and just some words of encouragement if you can spare it, because right now dating feels hopeless. I feel like giving up. What does giving up look like in my case? The other day I realised that it looks like going back to Tinder, trying the same thing over and over, starting conversations that don’t lead anywhere, meeting perhaps one or two people maybe once, at most twice or thrice, before I get rejected. Then the algorithm decides I’m not having any more matches, and I give up again. And then the cycle starts over. Again. And again. And again.
Keep up the good work, Doc!
Best regards,
In A Rut
DEAR IN A RUT: This reminds me of a joke:
A man is going for a walk when he sees another guy carefully inspecting the ground underneath a streetlight.
“What’re you doing?” he asks, watching this stranger seemingly check every square inch of illuminated pavement.
“Well, I lost my car keys, so I’m trying to find ’em.” the stranger says.
“Did you lose them around here?” the first man asks, trying to be helpful.
“Nope, lost ’em back over by my car,” the stranger says, jerking a thumb over his shoulder towards a vehicle parked further up the road.
“Wait, if you lost your keys over there, why are you looking for them over here?” says the first man, confused.
“Well, the light’s so much better over here!” the stranger replied.
In case this wasn’t obvious, IAR… you’re the stranger looking for his keys in the wrong place.
Here’s the thing: you’re treating Tinder as the end-all, be-all of dating and meeting women. And yet, the way you’ve had significant success was… not through Tinder. In fact, it had absolutely nothing to do with Tinder. You met your ex in person, through shared interests (your club), you hooked up because there was significant chemistry and attraction, kept hooking up because you were into each other and hey wouldn’t you know it: you moved from a friends-with-benefits relationship to actually dating.
What this should tell you is both simple and obvious: you have the skillset to meet women in person and start a relationship with them after meeting them. Tinder, on the other hand, continues to frustrate you and you have little success there. And so, with this knowledge and experience under your belt you… continue to pour all of your effort into meeting women on Tinder, instead of in person. As with the joke, you lost your keys over by the car, but you’re continuing to look for them yards away because “the light’s better over here”.
I’m sure you see the problem here, yes?
Now leaving aside my usual advice for folks who are struggling on dating apps — make sure you’re on the right one, etc. — your issue is one of perception, not reality. A lot of first dates — even most of them — from dating apps are likely to fizzle because dating is a numbers game and there are a host of factors that affect who we are or aren’t attracted to that can only be determined in person. You can meet folks who seem perfect on paper and who you vibe with via text or even video chat… but discover that you don’t have that “oomf” in person. That’s normal; the only difference is that when we meet people in person, we pick up on those attraction factors without even realizing it and they dictate who we are and aren’t interested in trying to connect with.
But this is where the disconnect is hitting you. You’re putting your attention in the wrong area. The disconnect isn’t that sex needs to happen before dating can, it’s that you expressed interest in your ex and made a move. You and she hooked up and hey, it was a one-night stand that didn’t stick to just one night. Many relationships will start that way. Just as many will start because people meet, feel a spark — or a spark develops over time — and they decide to explore things and see how it goes. The key, especially when you’re meeting people in person, is to actually act like someone who’s interested in dating the other person.
The issue you’re facing isn’t that you don’t know how to present yourself as a potential date to someone, it’s that you’re choosing not to. You’re holding back on showing interest or acting like a potential lover — partially out of not trying to be the predatory horny guy at the event, but mostly (I strongly suspect) out of a fear of rejection or the Let’s Just Be Friends speech. And while yes, Tinder and dating apps do mean that the interactions are taking place in a sex/dating/relationship frame… meeting in person can as well. It’s a matter of how you go about making it happen.
You can talk with people you meet and, if you vibe with them, simply say “hey, I’m really enjoying talking to you. I’m doing $COOL_THING this weekend and I think you’d really enjoy it; I’d love to bring you, if you’re interested.” Or you could say “Hey, how do you feel about $COOL_THING and $OTHER_COOL_THING? There’s this place that does $BOTH_COOL_THINGS and I’d love to take you on a date.” If you’re not necessarily sure you’re feeling romantic or sexual chemistry at first, you can simply be the awesome and attractive guy she knows who’s part of this club or gathering and get to know each other over time. And then, later on if it feels like there’s a little more chemistry and attraction, then you can invite them on the date.
Because here’s the thing: the whole “ladder theory”, where there’s “dudes who are friends” and “dudes who are bangable” in separate lanes and neither the twain shall meet is bulls--t. The vast majority of people don’t start a relationship with people they’ve literally just met. Most of the time, it’s a connection that’s built up over time — weeks, months, sometimes years. One of the reasons for this is because the more time you spend with someone, the more opportunities you have for positive, enjoyable interactions. The more of those you have together, the greater the odds of attraction developing because you enjoy spending time together.
But that requires being willing to flirt, to show interest and — importantly — risk rejection. Both early in the interaction and later on. The idea of “once a friend, never a lover” isn’t accurate. If we leave aside a lack of chemistry or mutual interest, the reason why guys who act like friends tend to never be seen as potential lovers is because they only ever act like friends. As a result, their friends assume, reasonably, that they’re not interested and interest or attraction fades or they go on to date someone who did make a move. The issue isn’t being a friend, it’s being passive, not expressing interest or acting contrary to how you actually feel.
Now let’s be clear: this doesn’t mean that you should go through your various clubs like a horny shark and try to treat get togethers and meet-ups like a sex ATM. But there’s nothing wrong with talking with folks, being charming and even a little flirty and asking them on a date if you catch a vibe. Just don’t cruise around hitting on everyone there; that’s not the primary reason people go to these.
Oh, and one more thing: that big group of friends you’ve made, especially your female friends? They may not be potential dates… they may well be able to introduce you to some. They clearly think you’re a great guy; otherwise they wouldn’t be friends with you. Tell them “hey, I’m single and looking; if you know someone you think I’d get on with, I’m down to meet ’em.” You can even host get-togethers yourself and encourage your friends to bring cool folks; that’ll not only increase the people you’re likely to meet and date, but increase the social network that will enable you to meet potential dates. And because your friends think you’re cool, they’ll talk you up to their friends.
Female friends, even ones who’re partnered, can be the best resource and wingperson you could ever ask for… as long as you. Y’know. Actually ask for help.
So, TL;DR: stop looking for your keys in the wrong place. Just because the light’s better over there doesn’t mean you’re gonna find ’em. Stop mistaking cause for effect; sex didn’t make your relationship possible, more attraction and action did. Take decisive action, risk rejection and you’ll start having more success, instead of hoping that it’ll just happen.
Good luck.
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