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Correcting Acquaintance’s Gendered Comments

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | May 8th, 2020 | Letter 1 of 2

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I belong to a group of people who share similar interests, and who educate others about these interests through public performances.

I am a-gender and use they/them pronouns. My first time at these meetings, I included my pronouns on my nametag, but didn’t say anything aloud. To my surprise, they were not only consistently honored by the group leader, but on a break, a few other members added their pronouns to their own nametags -- certainly not something I expected, let alone mentioned or encouraged.

There is one member of the group, however, that consistently uses the wrong pronouns for me, as well as referring to me as a girl or woman (albeit in contexts meant to be flattering). I have always put my pronouns on my badge, never referred to myself as a woman (or any other gendered terms), and the rest of the group has always done the same.

If it was just a matter of the pronouns, I would let it slide, because I know that many people see such an identity as “fake” or a ploy for attention. But this person seems to aggressively associate me with being a woman. I’ve even stopped wearing any feminine clothing to these meetings to avoid the uncomfortable experience, to no avail.

I am very much a feminist, and am in awe and appreciation of strong women. I’ve had to experience many of the normal distressing things women still face. But to this group, I have never been a woman.

The group is not about gender or queer politics, and I don’t want to disrupt the conversations on topics I enjoy with something that seems so unrelated -- especially with any risk that it might cause anyone in the group to roll their eyes or start talking politics. And I wouldn’t want to disrespect this person by using the wrong pronouns or name for her, just to make a point; she seems like a nice enough person who’s gone through a lot, and like me, just enjoys being able to share in things that bring her joy.

How do I politely let her know I’m not a woman while neither rebuffing compliments or attempts at camaraderie (“We strong women need to stick together,” for example), nor “starting with that gay stuff,” which is a response I’ve received at least once when sheepishly and gently letting someone know I’m not female? Other responses have ranged from brief apologies and corrections to rants about political correctness to questions about my private anatomy, so you can imagine why I am hesitant.

GENTLE READER: Deflect. “Yes, women do need to stick together. I am so glad that there are such strong ones in this group.” And then Miss Manners suggests that you enlist one such member to take the other aside and explain.

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Miss Manners for May 08, 2020

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | May 8th, 2020 | Letter 2 of 2

DEAR MISS MANNERS: After dishes and utensils have been duly washed and dried, where is the proper place for them to be stored, if one is concerned with proper decorum and good taste?

GENTLE READER: In the drawer? This feels like a trick question. Or one for which Miss Manners suspects the answer will be purposefully slapped on the breakfast counter in front of an unwitting spouse in order to resolve an ongoing grievance.

So ... you win?

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Andrews McMeel Syndication, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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Spouses Being Excluded From Work Events

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | May 7th, 2020 | Letter 1 of 2

DEAR MISS MANNERS: When is it considered impolite to exclude spouses from work-sponsored events?

My husband is often invited to dinner with his entire office: They have a casual, social dinner with a co-worker visiting from an out-of-town branch. Spouses are not invited.

I’ve told him that I consider this rude on the part of his office administrator, but he says that it would be rude of them to make their colleague eat alone before going to the hotel, and that they don’t have the budget to feed everyone and their spouses.

To this I say: Invite only the higher-ups and their spouses to take the office guest to dinner, or ask for a small group of volunteers who can take him/her, rather than making it mandatory for everyone to spend an evening away from their spouse.

As another example, they held a retirement party for one of their co-workers, and spouses were not invited for the same reason (budget). I understand spouses not being invited, but then it should be scheduled as a retirement luncheon, not a dinner.

Bottom line for me is: If it’s after hours, unless you’re doing official business, employees shouldn’t be expected to leave their spouses at home in order to attend events with other employees. Am I wrong in thinking that his office isn’t behaving according to proper etiquette?

GENTLE READER: His office is mostly confused -- and with good reason, given the inability of society generally to separate the personal from the professional.

Miss Manners understands that bosses are too busy telling everyone they “put their people first” to have any time left to consider the comfort of their employees.

Asking employees to work after hours is sometimes necessary, but always an imposition. (And before someone protests that these dinners are not work, but fun: Are employees free to decline without consequence?)

Everything should therefore be done to minimize the inconvenience to employees. Inviting spouses is one possible solution, but causes its own problems: Most employees do not consider such invitations optional, and spouses may resent being asked to do work for their spouse’s employer. It also puts single workers in an awkward position (are they permitted a guest of their choosing?) and leaves employees with children searching -- and paying -- for child care. A better solution is the one you suggest: namely, being thoughtful about how many employees are invited, and how frequently.

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Miss Manners for May 07, 2020

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | May 7th, 2020 | Letter 2 of 2

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My girlfriend was divorced from her husband for 14 years. When he was diagnosed with terminal cancer, they remarried for legal/tax reasons. He died six months after that. How long should we wait before living together?

GENTLE READER: The question you have asked is easier to answer than the one you have not, but perhaps should have.

You make clear that the remarriage was, for lack of a better word, impersonal. Those who are more fastidious than Miss Manners (an admittedly small group) may express concern at the propriety of a marriage “for legal/tax reasons.” If, however, you treat it as the financial transaction that it was -- and therefore neglect to make reference to it among friends and acquaintances -- you will find your second problem solved, as no one can question you moving in with your girlfriend 14 years after her divorce.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Andrews McMeel Syndication, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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No, Men Are Not Exempt From Washing Their Hands

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | May 6th, 2020 | Letter 1 of 4

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My 75-year-old husband insists that men do not have to wash their hands after a trip to the restroom if they only urinated. I think that every trip to the restroom should be followed by hand-washing. Can you tell us who is right?

GENTLE READER: In these days, when even a trip to the mailbox involves washing one’s hands, there can be little argument who is right. But even in pre-pandemic days, Miss Manners agrees that a gentleman washes his hands after a visit to the restroom, if only because a gentleman does not discuss the specifics of what took him there.

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Miss Manners for May 06, 2020

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | May 6th, 2020 | Letter 2 of 4

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Following a pricey destination stag party, our friend married the wrong person in an extravagant destination wedding, complete with various live performances and expensive accommodations.

Upon returning to the U.S., the couple procrastinated filing the marriage license, admittedly because the relationship was in trouble. They continued living together for about a year and half, then separated for good.

Should they return the cash gifts given to them by their friends and family? Does the fact that these guests traveled far and spent a lot of money to attend the over-the-top affair before bestowing said gifts have any bearing?

GENTLE READER: Miss Manners assumes that, in saying your friend married the wrong person, you mean someone who was not his soul mate, and not a guest disoriented by the extravagant entertaining.

Wedding gifts are only returned when the wedding is canceled before, not after, it occurs. So with the above stipulations -- and notwithstanding the complication with the license -- your friend was married, and no return of gifts should be expected.

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Miss Manners for May 06, 2020

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | May 6th, 2020 | Letter 3 of 4

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Assuming it is edible, is it proper to eat any garnish added to a plate of food?

GENTLE READER: If it is on a food platter and is edible, sure. Just promise Miss Manners that you are not reaching for the flowers in the centerpiece.

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Miss Manners for May 06, 2020

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | May 6th, 2020 | Letter 4 of 4

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My mom and I hosted a birthday party for my dad at our home, and invited about a dozen people. We arranged to have food catered from a local restaurant, and we supplied most of the beverages, although many guests did bring a bottle of wine as a hostess gift or birthday gift.

After we had cake around 9:30, most of the guests announced that they had to leave due to the late hour. They left my mom and me with the cleanup of the serving dishes, dinner and dessert plates, cutlery, and wine and champagne glasses -- not to mention the leftovers, which were not insubstantial. None of them offered to help clean up.

Is this the norm and to be expected, or did our guests take advantage of our generosity?

GENTLE READER: It may not be the norm, which is the reason Miss Manners is called upon to explain that it is the rule. Proper guests respond to invitations promptly; arrive reasonably on time; behave sociably; leave before they, or their hosts, lose interest; and send handwritten thank-you letters for the hospitality. Proper hosts do everything else.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Andrews McMeel Syndication, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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