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Tedious Comments Irk Student

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | September 13th, 2007

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I am a college student working toward a degree in English teaching. My classmates and I find ourselves facing the following comments in a social setting:

"Oooh, you're an English major, I better watch what I say!" or when we slip up and say something grammatically incorrect, many around us laugh hysterically and holler, "I thought you were going to be an English teacher!"

We all find this rude, and it makes us uncomfortable, and we are not sure how to respond correctly to this. We do not wish to be snippy, but we would like to make it clear that we do not appreciate this sort of commentary.

GENTLE READER: You are getting off easy. As an English major in her time, Miss Manners recalls those tedious remarks, as well the one about how you expect to make a living out of that.

But she can assure you that there is a set of equally tedious remarks for every major, and that it only gets worse when you enter a profession. For example, when a committee of lawyers took Miss Manners to lunch to complain that they are bombarded with lawyer jokes -- but only after nearly every one of them had delivered a version of "Oh, Miss Manners is here, so I'd better watch my table manners!"

Talk about tedious.

But we cannot be rude in return. The most you can do is to refrain from smiling, as a way of conveying how many times you have heard this lame humor before, and to resolve never to voice the first silly thing that comes to mind about other people's majors and professions.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: A lady I know begins mopping her floors while the guests are still seated and milling around. When and what should be cleaned, and to what extent?

GENTLE READER: A lady properly mops her floors while entertaining guests if one of them has been sick on it. Or if she is hoping they will go home. And now that Miss Manners comes to think of it, the two conditions are not mutually exclusive.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Clapping for oneself seems to be the norm these days, for example, when one's name is called at a gala dinner.

What is the proper thing to do when one's name is announced for congratulatory reasons? I can imagine rising a bit in one's seat, but what about when it would be awkward, for various reasons, to stand up?

GENTLE READER: As you seem to realize, Miss Manners does not espouse "the norm," but what is proper. With all the self-celebrating going on today, she expects to hear choruses of "For I'm a Jolly Good Fellow," which she does not intend to applaud. If you are singled out for attention, the proper procedure is to rise "a bit," as you put it, or just wave, with a modest smile and a word of thanks that may be simply mouthed. If you are listed with others, you need smile modestly only at those nearby who turn around to look at you.

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Students Need Education in Manners

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | September 11th, 2007

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I am a college professor at a small university, and I have had several students take a snippy, rude or high-handed tone with me.

When offering a range of times at which I would be available to meet with a student, I was interrupted and told shortly, "Well, it will have to be after 3 on Monday, because that's the only time I'm free."

Another student wrote, "I just feel that we need to straighten this situation out and make sure that we're both on the same page!" when in fact she simply did not like the lateness policy.

A third told me, "I want to know what's happening with this grade, because I'm not used to getting grades like this and I'm going to medical school!"

To the written correspondence, I respond in a polite and coldly formal fashion. However, I have difficulty in person or on the phone. I would resort to a simple, neutral "I beg your pardon?" but I'm afraid that they will fail to grasp the intent of this reply.

How can I indicate that a student's tone is inappropriate without being rude in return?

GENTLE READER: By saying so.

It is true that Miss Manners spends many of her waking hours warning people against criticizing one another's behavior outright -- and yes, thank you, she sees the irony. (She offers instruction only upon request.)

But there are certain people who may properly insist on the etiquette of their domains: judges in courtrooms, parents in their households and teachers in their classrooms and offices. You cannot court-martial offenders, send them to their rooms or roam the campus handing out etiquette violations.

But you can insist on proper respect being maintained toward yourself and, for that matter, toward other students in your class. Think of it as a long-neglected part of their education. The reply to the cheeky remarks you quoted should be that you will discuss the matter when they address you in a civil fashion.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Shortly after I started working in a small doctor's office, I found out I was pregnant, and I invited everyone in the office to come to the baby shower.

Now that my baby's first birthday is approaching, I'm not sure what the correct protocol is. Should the guest list for the shower and the first birthday be the same? I'm worried that I might come off as being too greedy if I invite all my co-workers and just plain rude if I don't.

GENTLE READER: Then invite only members of your family rather than any of your co-workers.

No doubt the latter were happy to knock off work to have some cake and celebrate your becoming a mother. But Miss Manners must tell you that this does not mean that they would be devastated to miss the opportunity to have more cake by attending a baby's birthday party on their own time. No, not even the small doctor.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Should my wife and I invite close neighborhood friends who have never met my ?daughter to her wedding? The wedding will be held in a neighborhood venue.

GENTLE READER: If they are close friends, they should be invited on that ground alone. Miss Manners hopes it was not your daughter who told you that only her friends should be invited to this family occasion.

But if they are simply close neighbors, with whom you have only a mild friendship, you should probably invite them on the grounds that they will otherwise complain about the traffic congestion.

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‘Mister of Honor’ Doesn’t Want the Honor

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | September 9th, 2007

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Times are financially stressful for me these days. I am living from paycheck to paycheck, and while I am making progress, it takes all that I have to keep up with my current financial responsibilities and debt.

To compound matters, I've recently been asked to participate in a commitment ceremony by my ex-wife and her partner. They joyfully refer to the ceremony as a wedding, and I am truly happy for them. I support their enormously important commitment to stand by one another; however, I'm really kind of uncomfortable being asked to participate.

Although our divorce was recent (a little over a year) and amicable, it was brought about by significant trust and financial issues I had with my ex-wife, and I'm not sure I've fully resolved them. As amicable as we were able to remain, it was also emotionally tumultuous.

I still care about her, and really want her to be happy, but I think I'd have been happier to just be invited as a guest or to decline to attend altogether. I agreed to attend, because she is still my friend and we do have a history together.

Now I find myself in the role of "best man/mister of honor" which is gracious on her part but surprising to me, given all we'd been through. Because none of her family can or will attend the ceremony, I think she honored me as I was, at one time, an important part of her family.

Do I decline to participate, or is it more appropriate to table my discomfort and support my ex-wife, my friend, regardless of our history?

I really want to do the right thing, but I'm torn between lingering feelings and financial stress. I'm trying pretty hard to be honorable and a person of etiquette.

GENTLE READER: Much as Miss Manners approves of amiability in partings, she finds the question of a former spouse's attending -- much less participating in -- a similar subsequent event to be creepy.

Surely it must be hard (whether from sadness or amusement) for such a person to listen to vows of permanency without remembering when the same person said the same things before. At any rate, hinting so ("I wish you happiness, but the ceremony would awake too many memories for me") is flattering.

Sending your former wife this sentimental message, along with your very best wishes for her happiness, will leave you free to stay home and worry about the financial mess in which she left you.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: What is the protocol for sending flowers when a family member is hospitalized then sent home because nothing more can be done for the patient?

The intent is that our office would send flowers, but with the recent update, is it still appropriate? May we add, the patient has since been sent home.

GENTLE READER: Why are you hesitating about sending flowers to his home, since you know that he is there? Isn't that what you were planning to do when he was hospitalized?

Please rid Miss Manners of the ghastly feeling that you plan to spring for only one order of flowers and are thinking whether it wouldn't look better to send them to the funeral than to try to cheer him now. Fewer flowers twice would be more gracious than more when he is gone.

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