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The Greet Schism

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | July 8th, 2003

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My life partner and I have been struggling over an inane issue for some time now. Simply put, when a person enters a room occupied by another person for the "first time" (e.g., someone coming home from work), who is technically obligated to greet the other person first? The person entering the room, or the person already in the room?

My life partner believes the responsibility lies squarely on the shoulders of the person entering the room, and will purposely wait and ignore me until I address her before I receive any acknowledgement.

My opinion and logic is that the person who is in the room already occupies or "owns" the space and therefore would politely greet the newcomer to acknowledge the person's presence, welcoming that person into the "owner's" space much like a host or hostess would (or should) make a guest feel welcome. This is especially true if the person in the room is in a conversation with a third person in the room. This would welcome the person not only into the room, but into the conversation as well.

I have had three other men answer this dilemma with the exact same reasoning (with no prompting), and I have had one other woman answer in agreement with my life partner, stating that the person entering the room has "disturbed" that space and must "make peace" in the room.

This has been a frustrating (and stupid) issue for some time.

GENTLE READER: Then Miss Manners considers it high time you squabbled about something more interesting. Life partners should greet each other simultaneously, one calling out, "Honey, I'm home," and the other, "Honey, is that you?"

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I have an interesting situation. My last name is a common first name. People are constantly calling me by my last name in profession situations, be it in e-mail or in person. The thing is, I place both my first and last name when closing an e-mail.

I know people are busy -- but too busy to overlook a person's first name? I know I feel awful when I address a person incorrectly. What would be the proper way to correct a person in both written and oral forms in such a situation?

GENTLE READER: Ah, yes, the Augustus John problem, as Miss Manners calls it, after the English painter.

Whatever reasons parents have for giving their children names that are easily open to misinterpretation, they should at least be aware that they are bequeathing those children a lifetime of explanation. People who don't mean to be rude may nevertheless be inclined to see what they expect, rather than what is actually there.

When you get tired of saying gently, "No, it's Gus; John is my last name," you can pretend you went to prep school with the offenders and reply, "Dear Smith."

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Not Giving a Spam

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | July 6th, 2003

As if the burden of nagging people to write letters weren't wearisome enough, Miss Manners now finds herself with the additional task of urging people to stop writing one another.

Wouldn't you think that one of these assignments would cancel out the other?

No such luck. But at least Miss Manners now understands why everyone is too busy to turn out the duty-letters owed to friends and relations. They are spending all their time sending nonsense mail to everyone they know and even more to those they don't.

Thus those who wait in vain for answers to their wedding invitations, congratulations on their graduations, thanks for their presents and condolences on their bereavements are not entirely forgotten by their acquaintances. Advertising aside, everyone's e-mail in-box is crammed with jokes that are making the rounds, chain letters accompanied by threats if they don't perpetuate the fraud, forwarded letters from people who didn't know their confidences would be circulated, photographs of babies whose parents they would not be sure of recognizing, and propaganda for an assortment of political, religious and philosophical beliefs.

And that's not counting the mail accidentally sent to the wrong person, and the mail sent from the correspondents of correspondents who have picked up their e-mail addresses because they failed to use the blind-copy option.

So while the government and Internet providers are frantically trying to figure out how to cut spam so that e-mail users don't have to fight their way through mounds of junk to find their real messages, who is exacerbating the situation? The very people -- friends, colleagues and relatives -- from whom real messages would be welcome.

It is frequently suggested that the ease of sending e-mail, which is responsible for this output, could also assist in getting out those less amusing letters that Miss Manners insists are required. If only Miss Manners were not so stubborn.

But she is. If etiquette never recognized the typewriter as an instrument for emotionally significant correspondence, it is not going to condone the even less personal (meaning bereft even of smudgy fingerprints) computer letter for formal correspondence. Impervious to the plea that everyone is too busy in modern life (yes, she knows -- see above) to wield a pen on important occasions, she insists that important letters be handwritten.

But just now she is not going to carry on about how much more personal and charming that method is. She wants to rejoice in how cumbersome it is.

For that reason, you are not likely to bombard everyone you know with all the flotsam and jetsam that passes through your mind, life and computer. You may choose your topics and words more carefully if you know you will have the arduous task of rendering them by hand.

Miss Manners' hope is that this discipline will carry over to e-mail correspondence. As with commercial spam, saying that recipients can always delete what they don't want to read or that they can ask that it not be sent is no longer good enough. The name of an acquaintance suggests that it might be real mail, and Gentle Readers who have tried gently asking to be taken from their friends' mass-mailing lists report being huffily cut off from personal communication as well.

To accusations that she is too old-fashioned to understand the joys of complete and widespread communication by people who want to disseminate their opinions, jokes and photographs, Miss Manners' reply is:

That's what your Web site is for, silly.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My husband has long hair and, without fail, waiters and salespeople approach us with a "May I help you, ladies?" practically every time we go out.

It's really embarrassing for my husband, who doesn't, by the way, look like a woman. What's strange is these people never correct their mistake and then we all feel really awkward. Can you tell us what is the correct response for everyone? Apparently cutting the hair is not an option.

GENTLE READER: Couldn't you consider this compensation for all those waiters and salespeople who address ladies as "You guys"? If not, your husband should learn to whip around slowly and say, "Are you addressing me?" in a low, not to say threatening, voice.

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Dads Get Their Due

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | July 3rd, 2003

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Have I lost step with the times? Is it now acceptable for fathers-to-be to attend baby showers? At showers I've attended and given in the past, the fathers-to-be arrived toward the end of the affair to lend a hand only.

GENTLE READER: Yes, you have lost step with the times, and you can't imagine how much fun Miss Manners has saying that. Every other question she gets that includes such an approach notes a change for the worse, with the plaintive fear that it might have entered mainstream etiquette. As if it is Miss Manners' job to dumb the field down to accommodate bad habits.

The fact that people have noticed that children, and prospective children, have fathers as well as mothers is indeed a change, but a good one. Miss Manners has no objection whatever to baby showers for both parents.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I live in a new, gated retirement community. At the front entrance they recently installed five flagpoles of the same height. On the right side is the American flag, on the left the state flag, and in between are three commercial flags all flying at the same height.

When I grew up we were taught that the American flag flew from the highest point, followed by the state flag slightly lower. Am I an old fogey out of touch with the new flag etiquette? What is the correct method of displaying our country's flag in this situation?

GENTLE READER: The nation has not yet sold its flag's place of honor to a fast food or telecommunications business. However, let us be careful not to give anyone ideas.

The American flag should, indeed, have been placed higher than these other flags, and also in the middle. Miss Manners hopes you will point this out politely to your community's gatekeepers.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I am a 22-year-old female who is interning with a nonprofit organization. Most of my co-workers are females over the age of 50, and I feel a bit uncomfortable addressing them by their first names, as it seems a bit disrespectful to me. I also do not necessarily wish to refer to them as "Mrs. So and So" because that might seem too formal.

While growing up, my mother (who is from the South) instructed me to refer to older family friends and acquaintances as Miss Anne or Miss Erika, etc. I have always used this practice, without before realizing that it might be seen as childish or disrespectful.

Is this practice appropriate for the workplace? Or should I call them Mrs. So and So until told otherwise?

GENTLE READER: As the junior employee, in rank and probably in age, it is not for you to decide how your colleagues should be addressed. Not even, Miss Manners regrets to say, by importing a custom that, however charming, is not used nationally.

The way to determine what others prefer is not, oddly enough, to ask them. For reasons beyond Miss Manners' understanding, even those who wish to be addressed in a dignified, formal manner are reluctant to say so. As you have suggested, it is better to begin by calling them Mrs., permitting them to suggest something less formal if they wish to do so.

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