DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I’m an almost 39-year-old single straight white male. I was a late bloomer and never even kissed a girl until I was 22. Got my first “girlfriend” and lost the v-card at 24. After that, I spent the rest of my 20s and early 30s casually dating and sleeping around until I decided I was tired of that and not going to do it anymore until I found an actual girlfriend.
And then it just never happened. I’ve had five “exes” (I think 3 of them would say we were just friends with benefits), and dated several other women, but nothing serious or long-term. Anytime I start describing my former love life, people assume I’m a player, but it’s more like the opposite.
What I used to do was go to bars, clubs, and parties all the time, and I hated it because I was a nervous wreck who didn’t want to be there, and I’ve done online dating and the apps for the past 20 years, and I go to every singles and dating event, and I used to let friends set me up on blind dates (which all were terribly mismatched), and I just kind of hit on every woman I saw. And I got shot down almost every single time. For the most part, the women who I dated pursued me, and I went out with them whether I was attracted or interested or not just because I was willing to go out with anyone who would chase me, and that’s why those “relationships” ended poorly.
Truthfully, the only women I ever REALLY liked were my friends, and we always only ever stayed just friends because none of them ever liked or were attracted to me. I know because I asked them out, too. And I know, “the Friend Zone” isn’t a real thing because that’s just women who aren’t attracted, but it kind of hurts when women I like didn’t like me back, and women who were attracted to me, I wasn’t attracted to.
And it wasn’t just a looks thing, either. About half the women I used to date or sleep with were ridiculously hot. We just had absolutely nothing in common and couldn’t get along outside the bedroom. The others, there was no compatibility or chemistry on my end, and it was just them chasing me for reasons I can’t fathom until they gave up.
Since I stopped doing all of that, nothing. I’ve been single getting closer to 4 years, and celibate about almost 6 because I held off on sleeping with the last couple women I dated unless/until there was actual mutual interest or attraction, and there never was.
Flash forward to the present. I’ve got most of my stuff mostly together for probably the first time in my life. I just don’t meet or interact with women anymore at all. The only time I see women is if they’re jogging in the park or working out at the gym or out grocery shopping or working at their job. And I don’t approach those women because I assume they don’t want to be hit on by some strange man, and the only thing I know about them is that they’re physically attractive.
Any time I’m out doing things that like and enjoy and would do regardless of whether I’m trying to meet anyone, like hiking and mountain climbing, and going to the farmer’s market, and going to coffee shops and book stores, and reading in the park, and going to art galleries and museums – all things you hear single women say they like (especially on their dating profiles) – they aren’t there.
So I kind of assume all the single ladies are on the apps, and at the bars, and so on and so forth, where I’ve never had much luck with them anyway because none of those experiences were fun for me.
I’ve reached the point in my head where it’s like that meme with the forking paths: go back to the way I did things before – be miserable but at least have the illusion of opportunity, or keep doing what I am – be content with a life I enjoy, but never really be happy that I don’t have anyone to share it with.
Ready to Finally Meet Someone Special
DEAR READY TO FINALLY MEET SOMEONE SPECIAL: I can tell you exactly what the problem is RFMSS: you’re giving yourself a false dichotomy here. You’re presenting your situation as though you have only two choices: keep doing the stuff that doesn’t work or give up entirely.
Brace yourself, I’m about to blow your mind: how about you choose the secret third thing and do things differently?
I mean, your struggle here isn’t a mystery. It’s all summarized in this line here: “What I used to do was go to bars, clubs, and parties all the time, and I hated it because I was a nervous wreck who didn’t want to be there”
Well gee, I can’t imagine why you weren’t meeting people you liked when you kept going to places you didn’t enjoy. It’s almost like the sorts of people who love going to those places aren’t the sorts of people you would actually be compatible with.
You follow this up with how you would hit on people indiscriminately and how you mostly dated people who asked you out whether you actually liked them or not and, again, this didn’t lead to a happy or successful relationship. I mean, I hate to belabor the obvious but have you considered that this is your problem?
You may have read about how many women have decided to opt out of dating all together, choosing to stay single rather than to choose a relationship with someone who doesn’t meet their needs, nor makes them happy. Well, now you know exactly why they made that choice.
Long-time readers have heard me talk about how one of the most common relationship mistakes guys make is when they’re trying to fill a hole marked “girlfriend” or “relationship” and attempt to shove literally anyone into it. You, RFMSS, have provided a shining example of why this is a bad idea: it leads to relationships that ultimately only serve to make everyone miserable. Your partners feel like you’re only with them because they’re a warm body who got shoved into the role and you aren’t happy because there’s nothing to the relationship outside of, well, someone else’s warm body in proximity of yours. There are no shared interests, no commonalities of background or values or anything other than a sexual connection if you even have that.
In fact, it’s a little telling that the only people you were attracted to were your friends. How many of them were your friends before you became attracted to them and how many of them were people who you became friends with because you were attracted to them but they weren’t into you? I strongly suspect the latter outnumber the former.
But here’s the thing: those are the people you should be dating. Not your friends specifically but people like them. You know, people you’re actually interested in. That’s one of the first changes you need to be making if you want to actually, y’know, date someone you like. Preferably without trying to pull the Platonic Best Friend Back Door Gambit first.
Now, you took a break to get your s--t together and that’s a good thing. I’m all in favor of folks pulling back from dating so that they can get some clarity, their head on straight and put their lives in order. But part of the reason to do this is so that you don’t immediately go back and start making the same choices and mistakes that lead you to this position in the first place.
One of the mistakes that you can’t seem to shake is this very binary thinking, where you have a fixed set of options and you have to explore them the exact same way every time. You’re also misunderstanding what it is that women are saying when they talk about enjoying hiking or going to the farmer’s market; they’re not saying that “this is where I want to meet people”, they’re saying “this is what I would like to do with someone I’m dating”.
(Also, seriously: hiking and climbing are bad places to try to pick up women, holy s--t.)
One of the things that leaps out at me �is that you’re choosing a lot of solo hobbies or activities. The second is that you’re doing them in ways and at times that aren’t conducive to actually meeting people. The third is that it sounds to me like you’re expecting these situations to work like going to the club – where you’re trying to make something happen right then and there. Part of the reason why cold approaches, especially at bars and clubs are difficult is that you’re trying to convince someone to start a romantic or sexual relationship with someone they’ve known for maybe 20 minutes, maybe an hour at most. This is not how the vast majority of relationships start.
Here’s the thing: for all that pop culture goes on and on about love at first sight, the truth of the matter is that we very rarely start dating someone the first time we’ve met them. Someone may be attracted to somebody they’ve just met but that doesn’t mean that they’re ready, willing or even interested in dating them right off the bat. Even when you’ve met on a dating app, there’s a “getting to know you” period between matching, talking and a possible pre-date date before the actual date. Even that very first in-person meeting is more of an audition than a date – a “let’s see if you’re who you say you are and if there’s any chemistry there” meeting rather than the start of a romantic connection.
This is one of the reasons why I tell people to do things that they enjoy in ways that connect them with other people who also like doing those things and to become a regular at those events or meetups. You don’t, for example, want to join an amateur pickleball league and immediately start hitting on people. Nor do you want to go once, decide that there’re no women (that you’re interested in) and never go again. You want to go and become part of the community, get to know lots of people and become a known quantity.
Part of this is so that you put distance between yourself and the other people who are there trying to treat the event like a sex ATM, but also so that people get to know you and see you often.
That last part – seeing you regularly and often – is the secret sauce of dating. The propinquity effect – the tendency for people to form close relationships with the people they see often – is one of the most underrated and underappreciated aspects of attraction and relationships. It’s part of what’s known as the “mere-exposure” effect – the more you’re exposed to something (or someone), the more you tend to like it. This is why when you first hear that pop single on the radio or Spotify, you may not like it… but after hearing it over and over again, you find it’s grown on you. So it is with people; we tend to become friends with our classmates and co-workers because those are the people we see regularly and spend time with the most.
So, instead of treating the park or the coffee shop like a quieter and low-key version of the club, you should be looking for group events related to the things you enjoy. Running clubs, for example, are taking off as ways to meet people for precisely this reason; it’s bringing together a bunch of like-minded people on a regular basis, with the added benefit of triggering the misattribution of arousal.
Your goal should be going to these events because you enjoy them and to get to know folks over time. You don’t want to hit on people like you need to make a love connection that day; instead, focus on getting to know people, seeing what makes people tick and – critically – whether they’re someone who is right for you. This doesn’t mean that you have to keep them at arm’s length or treat them like you’re only interested in friendship until the day you ask them out. You can and should be a little flirty – a little light, fun and teasing, not asking them to come viz you to ze Cazbah – because this sets the tone: yeah, you’re a cool fun guy who’s worth getting to know, but you are at least a little interested in them too. Just enough to make it clear that you’re looking for more than platonic friendship, even if that’s cool too.
That’s radically different than continuing to make the same choices that lead to unsatisfying relationships or giving up on dating entirely. That’s just you not learning from the mistakes you’ve made in the past.
If you want things to be different, you have to do things differently. That means not falling back into false binaries, and it means considering that if the approach you’re taking isn’t working, then you should try a different approach instead of assuming that you’ve exhausted all possibilities.
Learn from your past mistakes, slow your roll and put a little more time in getting to know people instead of treating the bookstore like a singles’ bar. You’ll get much better results.
Good luck.
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