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Train Commuter Unsure of Etiquette

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | November 6th, 2019 | Letter 1 of 2

DEAR MISS MANNERS: The train I take to commute to work is composed of rows of two seats: one window seat and one aisle seat. Inevitably when I board, the only seats left are the aisle seats.

Because I ride the train for five stops, it is often the case that my seat companion wants to get off before my stop. Almost always, I am either kindly asked to get up while the train is still moving, or my companion wordlessly stands up, also while the train is still moving, to prompt me to get up.

I would hate to make the person late for something; however, I do not like getting up while the train is moving. This is because it often lurches in one direction or another, especially as it is braking for its stop, and I am thrown around, trying to balance my belongings.

Sometimes I ask if we could please wait for the train to fully stop. A few people say “no problem,” but more often, they are bothered -- understandably, because I am essentially holding them hostage in their seat until the train fully stops. What is the proper train etiquette in this scenario?

GENTLE READER: Most transportation systems subject their customers to some level of discomfort and inconvenience. (This is, Miss Manners believes, why one hears so many announcements in transit on how much the company cares about its passengers.) Trains make noise, they lurch, and space is at a premium.

Polite passengers (presuming that they are not in need of special accommodation) give more weight to the comfort of fellow passengers than to their own. This means offering seats, making room in the aisle -- and getting up when the inside passenger requests. Remember that another inconvenience of commuter trains is that they hurry people on and off: An inside passenger may have good reason to worry about the time allowed for disembarking.

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Miss Manners for November 06, 2019

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | November 6th, 2019 | Letter 2 of 2

DEAR MISS MANNERS: One of my favorite dishes at a local restaurant includes strips of chicken, marinated and grilled on small skewers. What is the proper way to eat this?

Does one pick up each end of the skewer and daintily nibble away? Or does the diner use cutlery to slide the chicken off the skewer and proceed with a knife and fork?

I have tried both methods. Other diners appear to take no notice of either, but I want to do this properly. The eating establishment is very casual -- a ribs and wings place, not a linen tablecloth in sight. Does that matter?

GENTLE READER: Grasp one end of the skewer and use your fork to push everything onto the plate, where it may then be eaten in the normal way.

In addition to this method being formal enough for any occasion, so you don’t need to check for tablecloths, Miss Manners prefers this method because even she is not dainty enough to remove the last piece of meat from the bottom of the skewer without the danger of sending pieces flying -- or, more to the point, skewering herself.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Andrews McMeel Syndication, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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Provide Nosy Neighbor With Email Address Instead

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | November 5th, 2019 | Letter 1 of 2

DEAR MISS MANNERS: When I was engaging in an amiable conversation with a neighbor, I brought out my phone, as I had gotten a text message from a colleague. Seeing the phone, the neighbor said, “Give me your digits” -- i.e., they wanted my phone number in order to contact me.

Is there a polite way to decline this request? I know in the past, phone numbers were listed in physical phone directories where anyone could look a neighbor up. But no more.

I want to be a good neighbor, but I also suspect this neighbor’s motives in asking for my “digits” is a bit dodgy, and unrelated to pure neighborliness. I do not want them to have my phone number.

In contemporary culture, the tactic is often to lie and give out fake “digits,” but I find that to be rude. What do you suggest I do?

GENTLE READER: The short answer is to give your neighbor an email address you don’t often check. You might even establish one for this purpose. The request was for “digits,” but if someone asks specifically for your telephone number, you should do the same, after saying, “That’s no longer a good way to reach me.”

If you have patience for the long answer, you will understand that you do not have to choose between politeness and privacy.

The disappearance of the telephone book is not the only relevant change. Telephoning itself is slowly disappearing, although you may not have noticed this, with all the public yapping wherever you go.

Yes, everyone is hunched over what is ostensibly a phone. But they are not all talking, especially not the young. They are using it to text, post, play games, take photographs, take videos and keep up with celebrities and other braggarts -- anything but engage in direct vocal contact. For every parent annoyed at a child for never picking up, there is a child annoyed at a parent for not texting instead.

In addition, the constant bombardment of robocalls has made many people stop answering their telephones at all.

Miss Manners is not sorry to see this happen. She has always maintained that the telephone is an inherently rude instrument. It shrilly demands attention, with no consideration of the circumstances of the person being called. As valuable as it is for emergencies, and for people who really want to talk to each other in real time, it is generally a disruptive nuisance.

So there is no reason for you to be embarrassed at not giving out your telephone number. You will seem to be showing consideration for the person who asked, saving frustration at not being able to reach you.

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Miss Manners for November 05, 2019

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | November 5th, 2019 | Letter 2 of 2

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My daughter is correcting me in front of anyone, anytime and anywhere. And not in a nice way, but rather snarky. I am self-conscious now that it is getting worse. It happened this weekend when out to dinner with family. What to do?

GENTLE READER: Tell her to stop. Unless, of course, you modeled this behavior by correcting her in public as she was growing up.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Andrews McMeel Syndication, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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Saving the Earth by Insulting Your Friends

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | November 4th, 2019 | Letter 1 of 2

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Though there is always room for improvement, I try to be forward-thinking with regard to my environmental impact.

When I am a guest in someone’s home and water is offered to me in a single-use bottle, is it impolite to request a glass and some tap water instead? I’m equally bothered when handed a disposable red cup at a party, or food on a Styrofoam plate to consume with plastic utensils.

It’s made all the worse because the gracious hostesses in these particular homes do not recycle. I’m guessing I ought to accept these offerings with gratitude and continue to do my part in my own home, but I wanted to see if you had any other suggestions.

GENTLE READER: Only that you must also consider the human environment. While making conditions better for the world, you should not make them worse for your friends. And having someone accept your hospitality and then criticize it is hurtful.

Miss Manners would like to see you separate your advocacy from your behavior as a guest. Sure, you can ask for a glass of tap water, but that is not the time to explain why. There are other occasions when you can talk with your hosts and other good friends about your convictions, although without targeting their habits.

If they decide to change their ways, it will only be if you are able to convince them of the importance of your beliefs. If you seem to sneer at their tableware, they are not going to invite you back, let alone listen to behavioral advice from someone who has treated them ungraciously.

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Miss Manners for November 04, 2019

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | November 4th, 2019 | Letter 2 of 2

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My fiance and I are very traditional and picky about etiquette, and want to do things right for our wedding.

I think response cards and all the extra things enclosed in wedding invitations are tacky and obnoxious. No one wants piles of paperwork falling out of a wedding invitation when they open it!

What are the absolutely required things to include in the wedding invitation, according to etiquette and tradition -- besides the invitation itself, of course? Should there be hotel information, second envelopes or at-home cards?

Also, if we choose not to include response cards in our invitations, is there a way to make it clear to guests that we do expect a reply in writing, whether they will be attending or not?

GENTLE READER: Not to some people.

Sadly, there are always some who have so little respect for those who know them well enough to invite them to weddings that they never respond. And the nonresponse rate seems to be just as high when response cards are sent, even ones to which deadlines and threats have been added.

So just say to them in plain English, “The favor of a reply is requested,” and hope for the best.

In the past, there were such stuffings as separate reception cards, pew cards and even admittance cards, but Miss Manners is in thorough agreement that the formal invitation should not be diluted with all that practical, but informal, information about logistics. You can post that online or send it by email. And at-home cards are sent after the wedding, not with the invitations, when the couple is not yet officially at home together -- even if we know they are.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Andrews McMeel Syndication, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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