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Bride Has Sensible Advice for Future Mother-in-Law

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | August 9th, 2015 | Letter 1 of 2

DEAR MISS MANNERS: A friend's future daughter-in-law will not allow her to know the color theme for the wedding. My friend has asked her several times what color would she like her to wear.

All the bride says is, "Wear whatever you are comfortable in."

Well, she has invested in two dresses. The first is going to be too warm to wear to an outdoor wedding in the South. The second is an ivory/cream color, and she has been told that color is inappropriate. Is it true that that color is inappropriate?

GENTLE READER: Is it your friend's hope that she can turn this sensible and considerate young lady into a bossy, detail-obsessed bride?

Dressing her prospective mother-in-law is not the bride's responsibility. Many who attempt it discover that it is not conducive to warm family relationships.

Nor does a wedding require a "theme," other than marriage.

Your friend should not be investing in clothes that are unsuitable for the weather. She should wear something dressy that she likes. And while it is not customary for others to wear the same shade as the bridal dress, Miss Manners is confident that the bride in question will not go to pieces worrying that people will confuse the two of them.

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Excluding Estranged Daughters From Obit May Arouse Curiosity

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | August 9th, 2015 | Letter 2 of 2

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My husband's two daughters estranged themselves from him more than 20 years ago. Their actions were likely inspired by their deceased mother, who had severe emotional problems, but neither has chosen to explain her reasons. He has four grandchildren he has never met.

Although he has made many thoughtful efforts to heal the wounds and seek reconciliation, he has not been successful. He has an excellent relationship with his son and daughter-in-law, as do I.

My husband is now in his 80s. He has asked me how I would phrase his obituary -- in terms of survivors -- if he predeceases me.

My initial impulse is to list the daughters, their husbands and their children, along with his son and daughter-in-law. Yet it seems strange to include children he's never met and a son-in-law he met only once. The daughters have been dishonest and unkind with their father, and part of me says they don't deserve to be listed.

But if they are omitted, many casual friends who know the daughters but not the situation will surely find it strange. I want to take the high road. The question is much on my husband's mind, and I want above all to be kind and respectful to him.

GENTLE READER: It is not the purpose of an obituary to thank the people who have behaved well to the deceased. Rather, it is intended to be a tiny, instant account of that person's life.

Miss Manners understands your desire to reassure your husband, but if you have to give him an answer, you might point out that excluding the daughters would indeed create curiosity from those who know the family.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Universal Uclick, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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Grandparents Choose to Opt Out of Kids' Many Activities

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | August 6th, 2015 | Letter 1 of 2

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I have three children ages 14, 13 and 9, all very active. Between my husband and I both working full-time and getting all three children to where they need to be, we hardly have a spare moment.

About four years ago, my parents decided to move to be "close" to us. Naturally I was very excited and could not wait to have them here.

However, now that they are here, we see them less than we did when they lived out of town.

We invite them to every activity the children have, but they always have an excuse not to come. Finally we determined that the real reason was that they just weren't interested in the types of events that we were inviting them to.

I am resentful and sometimes cannot keep from being a little short when I do speak to them. If I say something about it to them, they turn it around on me and say that we never come to see them or make time for them, and that we are just too busy.

I just don't understand how they can expect us to come and sit at their house, when we rarely have time to "sit" at our own! Any night of the week, at least one of our children has some type of activity to participate in.

We have made it clear that we would love for them to be more of a part of our everyday lives; however, they do not seem interested, and almost seem angry that we don't make time for them.

Am I being unreasonable? I feel like this time in my life is all about keeping my children as involved with activities as I can. I enjoy watching them, and just can't seem to get my parents to realize this.

GENTLE READER: As impossible as it may be for you to imagine, perhaps your parents' idea of spending time with you and their grandchildren does not include shuttling around to their various activities. Would you be eager to observe their book club or watch them take an exercise class?

You find it an imposition to sit at their house -- or what Miss Manners would call socializing -- yet are insulted that they don't consider standing on the sidelines as being "close" to their grandchildren.

An occasional dance recital or pivotal sports game may be entertaining, but it is a lot to ask, even from a loving grandparent, solely to watch the children, rather than interact with them.

The constant bustle that you describe hardly sounds sociable or relaxing. And it's probably not what your parents imagined when they decided to move across the country in order to be close to you. You might consider that developing family bonds is an extremely worthwhile activity for your children.

Family & ParentingEtiquette & Ethics
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If You Multi-Task During e-Date, Do It Quietly

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | August 6th, 2015 | Letter 2 of 2

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Is it OK to multi-task during an e-date? I'd never do such a thing in person, but if it's an e-date and I'm sitting in my kitchen, how would he know?

GENTLE READER: It is true that manners differ from morals in that what you do doesn't count against you if nobody finds out about it and is therefore unaffected.

But that means no giveaway noises. And Miss Manners warns you that tasks you do in the kitchen, as in other rooms with running water, are apt to be obvious.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Universal Uclick, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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Sister-in-Law Is Only Too Eager to Please

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | August 4th, 2015 | Letter 1 of 3

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My sister-in-law seems unable to tolerate a reciprocal relationship where she accepts our hospitality or gift, and then she hosts us, gives us something, etc.

If we visit her, she gives us gifts and insists on paying "because we came all that way," but if she visits us it's different. This time she needs to pay for things "because we did so much."

She literally argued that a coin flip would be unfair to determine which couple got the better room in a shared suite. (The only fair thing would be if she and hubby took the lesser accommodation.)

I thought we made headway in the last visit. They accepted our hosting, but also took us out. Now I just received, after the fact, an additional gift certificate by email. I suffer from my own malady of really liking things to be equal, but this doesn't seem possible. What should I feel, do or say?

GENTLE READER: "Thank you," while trying not to sigh audibly. And when you take them out, make arrangements about the bill in advance.

In a world of moochers (such a satisfying word), excessive generosity may be a lesser annoyance, but Miss Manners thoroughly sympathizes with your discomfort.

However well your relatives think they mean, they are putting you in their perpetual debt, which is not pleasant.

You will, of course, thank them for the gift certificate. But you might want to add that you are saving it -- whether it is a meal out, or a present you should choose -- to enjoy with them on their next visit.

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Don't Read Too Much Meaning into Email Punctuation

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | August 4th, 2015 | Letter 2 of 3

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I work in customer service, and every day I send 20 or so emails saying, "So-and-so, your order for X has been processed ..."

Often my emails receive no response, but sometimes the recipient replies, "Thank you!" or "Thank you."

When he/she includes the exclamation point, I usually reply, "You're welcome!" so as to match the sender's punctuation. However, I never know what to write when someone omits punctuation or uses a period.

"You're welcome" sounds kind of flat and could be seen as sarcastic or irritated. Is it rude to refrain from responding? Should I nix the "You're welcome" for impersonal situations? I don't want to annoy people by blowing up their inbox with pointless pleasantries.

GENTLE READER: There are those who feel that "unnecessary" courtesies pose a mortal threat to cyberspace, but Miss Manners is not among them.

Recognizing that you are in customer service, Miss Manners would like to introduce you to the Reasonable Person -- who does not read special meaning into a period at the end of a sentence. She trusts that a customer who takes time to write "Thank you" will not be incensed by your replying "You are welcome" (thus settling the punctuation dilemma).

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Son's Going-Away Party Is not Occasion For Soliciting Gifts

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | August 4th, 2015 | Letter 3 of 3

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I will be throwing my son a "going to college" party. Is it tacky to register for gifts and put the stores on the invitations?

GENTLE READER: Have you been besieged by people asking you what your son would like to have at college?

Presumably, these would be people whose children you help support. Even so, Miss Manners advises you to answer them individually when they beg to know what to contribute rather than pressuring others by distributing solicitations.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Universal Uclick, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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