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Brief Thank You Should End Courtesy Exchange

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | October 6th, 2013

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I came into possession of some things that had belonged to the parents of a celebrity. My aunt had married a man whose father had been married to this person's mother.

When her mother passed away, she left some things with her husband, and they passed down to my uncle. My aunt wasn't able to get hold of this person, so, knowing I was a fan, she sent them to me.

I was able to make contact and return the things, which were of a fairly personal nature. I know that if it had been my parents, I would have wanted them. The lady sent me a personalized autographed photo and a three-page letter. I am thinking of writing back, just a brief thank-you note for the photo and the letter, no response expected.

Is it silly to send a thank-you for something that was, itself, basically a thank-you? I want to express my thanks, but I don't want to overstep and intrude upon her privacy.

GENTLE READER: Ordinarily, whether to thank for thanks is a simple matter. Yet it throws many a Gentle Reader into a tizzy, envisioning an endless exchange that consumes the lives of both parties.

Miss Manners can assure them that this need not happen. It is not necessary to thank someone for thanking you.

But wait! Don't go away. If the letter of thanks is accompanied by a present, including such tokens as flowers or candy, it is necessary to express thanks for the present. Just don't send anything tangible with it, or you really will be trapped in a spiral of courtesy.

What makes your situation problematical is whether an autographed photograph is a present. When Queen Mary sent one in a silver frame to your great-grandmother, who kept it on the piano discreetly facing the sofa, probably, yes.

But for a modern celebrity, it seems more like a calling card; the lady probably has stacks of them to send to fans. Her real graciousness was in sending you the three-page letter of thanks, but that does not require a response.

You have already been extremely gracious to someone who responded in kind. Miss Manners suggests leaving it at that. You don't want to make her feel as if you are using that to open a correspondence.

However, if you consider the photograph to be a present, at least keep your thanks so brief ("I'm so pleased to have your photograph") that it will be obvious that you expect the exchange to end there.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Years ago, my gay cousin married a lesbian for appearances' sake because they wanted a child. They are both professionals. His longtime partner moved in with them as well. She does not have a partner.

My daughter is inviting my cousin, his partner and his wife to her wedding. She uses her maiden name. Would it be OK to just put all three names on one invitation?

GENTLE READER: Three persons living at the same address may be issued a single invitation. It was not necessary to entertain Miss Manners by spelling out why and how they live at that address.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Universal Uclick, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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Bribery Is One Way to Ensure Good Behavior in a Child

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | October 3rd, 2013

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Say that I am on a subway car with a small child who does not want to be on the subway and is expressing that opinion at the top of her lungs. Say that I have tried everything I can think of to get her to quiet down, and neither reasoning, sympathizing nor firm warning has any effect.

What should I do?

On the one hand, I know she is disturbing the other passengers, and it would be polite to get off with her at the next station and so stop the noise. On the other hand, if I do that, it will teach her that a tantrum is a great means to get her own way, and I can expect an even louder tantrum every time we're traveling when she doesn't care to. (Not taking the train isn't an option -- we need to get to places too far to walk and can't afford a car or taxi.)

How do I stay considerate of the other passengers without teaching the lesson that screaming loudly enough is the best way to get out of something unpleasant?

GENTLE READER: In the rearing of small children, results may vary, but effort counts. When Miss Manners gets complaints about children, they are invariably followed by "and the parents did nothing to try to stop them."

If your fellow passengers see that you are trying to calm your child, they still may not like the noise, but should be satisfied by the attempt. Those who don't have or dislike small children won't be satisfied no matter what you do. And those who have been in your shoes, well, have been in your shoes and will sympathize.

But say that you have no particular plans one day and this small child begs you to go to the zoo or out for ice cream. Say that you agree to it, but tell her that you must travel by subway, and if there is a tantrum, you will return home immediately (on the subway, of course).

If the expedition is without incident, commend the child, but tell her that there will be no such fun trips in the future if there are protests on the routine ones.

"Threats and bribes" is the way one parent of Miss Manners' acquaintance described this method. "Survival" is what Miss Manners would call it.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: What is the proper wording for ordering food in a restaurant? My grandmother says it is "I will have ..." but my mom says it is "May I please have ..."

I am about to go to college, and I want to make sure I am polite when I order food since I know how waiters feel because I work in a restaurant.

GENTLE READER: It is good of you to think of the waiter's feelings, and Miss Manners has no wish to discourage you from saying "please." She only asks you to understand that your grandmother is not being rude. Ordering food in a restaurant is a business transaction, not a petition for a favor. It is not customary to say, in a store, for example, "May I please buy this?"

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Universal Uclick, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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Sing for Your Supper Only When You're Being Paid

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | October 1st, 2013

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Is it acceptable to sing aloud while others are working?

GENTLE READER: Certainly, presuming that you are a chorister or a monkey grinder.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Is there a proper way, on a birthday invitation for a 1-year-old, to ask for no gifts but a monetary donation to college?

GENTLE READER: What a forward-thinking child you have. Only 1 year old, and his birthday wish is to save up for college.

But first you must teach him manners. Specifically, birthday parties are the occasion for teaching the manners of hospitality.

Miss Manners suggests starting with the definition of a guest. A guest is someone to whom refreshment and entertainment are freely given. It is not someone to whom these are sold in return for control over the targeted person's money to buy or fund whatever the so-called host demands.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I have been a high school English teacher for 15 years, and while scores of students have asked me for letters of recommendation, I've noticed a burgeoning trend.

Several students have not just asked for a recommendation for college or a summer program, having faith that I will indeed speak well of them; they have asked if I could write them a "good" letter of recommendation.

This newest request mentioned a handful of flattery toward me, and then asked if I could not speak as well of the student, that I let him know so he could ask someone else. And this request came via email; the student did not even have the decency to ask in person.

I would like to respond to future requests of this nature, but I don't want to extend rudeness back. Were he to ask without the flattery and request that the letter be good, I would happily do so.

Now, I want to tell him I cannot do it, as his request seems to somehow go against a moral grain. It seems insulting on top of that. Would it be better to say that I cannot fulfill the task and ask future students of his ilk to ask someone else, no reason given?

GENTLE READER: Not many people are looking for bad letters of recommendation. The problem is one of trust, which is not, as you have noticed, flattering.

The shrewd student would, when asking for the letter, have also requested a copy "for his records." The shrewder student would have said how much a letter of recommendation from you would mean, and asked if you felt able to give him one -- heeding any hesitation on your part.

But as a high school English teacher, you are used to being the only adult in the room. You are also, Miss Manners trusts, used to the awkwardness and insecurity of teenagers. She would therefore recommend that you save your dander for more egregious behavior and provide letters -- or refuse to do so -- based on whether you feel you can give the student in question a letter that truly recommends.

(Please send your questions to Miss Manners at her website, www.missmanners.com; to her email, dearmissmanners@gmail.com; or through postal mail to Miss Manners, Universal Uclick, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City, MO 64106.)

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