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Don’t Extend Terms of Date

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | February 17th, 2011

DEAR MISS MANNERS: If someone asks you out for a glass of champagne, and you accept, is it OK to say something like, "And if we're hungry afterwards, we can go out for some dinner"? Or is this totally tacky? Be honest.

GENTLE READER: All right: It is. Miss Manners is always honest, but you have challenged her to be blunt as well. You have also challenged your drinks host to feed you. This not only belittles his invitation but denies you the graciousness of asking him out to dinner if, after the champagne, you cannot bear to part with him.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My wonderful fiance and I live in the Midwest. Our families are on opposite coasts. As we plan our wedding, location has become an issue.

If we marry where we live, everyone will have to travel. We are leaning toward marrying where my family is from because it is much cheaper than both where we live and where his family is from.

When we mentioned this to his family, his mother cited you, saying that destination weddings are tacky and a way to make guests pay for the couple's vacation. She suggested that we have a courthouse ceremony where we live and then have two receptions on either coast.

I was hoping that our wedding would be a chance for both of our families to come together and celebrate. I do not want anyone to be put out because of travel, but I feel that two receptions would look like we are trying to get as many gifts as possible, which is not the case.

My parents have said we should do whatever makes us happy, since we are paying for our wedding. What is the best way to handle this location problem without offending anyone?

GENTLE READER: Yes, everyone should be happy, including the two of you, but then why don't they all live in one place?

Miss Manners sees that you are doing the best you can to accommodate everyone, but still, you must choose a place. The traditional one is the bride's family's home, which seems to be the best compromise. Please tell your mother that that would not make it a "destination wedding," which is defined by being chosen merely for its vacation attractions.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My ex-husband is extremely picky (and controlling). He criticizes my daughter for putting ketchup on her plate and dipping her hamburger in to the ketchup. Is this impolite?

I started to research the matter and found many websites with opinions on blogs and such, but he didn't accept it and said to look up Miss Manners for her opinion.

GENTLE READER: Miss Manners' opinion is that someone has to control a young lady who dips her hamburger into her ketchup, rather than spreading the ketchup from her plate on the hamburger with a knife. And that both you and she are fortunate to have her father to do it.

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Girls Get the Letter of the Law but Not the Spirit

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | February 15th, 2011

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My friend is very fastidious about raising her two daughters to have impeccable manners. Their table manners are beautiful.

However, one aspect of their education has been overlooked. Her young girls (9 and 11) are constantly correcting anyone, including adults, about what they perceive to be lapses in good manners.

One example is when they very smugly reprimanded me that I shouldn't have my elbows on the table after dinner. Their mother seems to be proud that her girls are "leading the charge."

I adore these young ladies but would like them to be more respectful of me and my family. We take manners seriously in our home, too -- and that includes being courteous to others. How can I gently ask them to refrain from this behavior?

GENTLE READER: It never fails to amaze Miss Manners that so many people think that learning etiquette entitles them to be rude: that it is all right to violate the principles as long as you follow the particulars.

In this case, your young friends were probably not taught the principles of manners on which the specific etiquette rules they did learn are based. The principle here is a major one: prohibiting embarrassing others. Even Miss Manners does not make herself obnoxious by going around reprimanding others; she responds only when specifically invited to do so, and not always then.

Of course you are bound by the same rules, so you cannot reprimand the young ladies for their rudeness. But as you are on close terms with them, you can open a discussion about manners -- surely a riveting subject -- by complimenting them on their table manners and leading them into questions about the deeper purposes of etiquette.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: When inviting someone with a disability to a social event where he or she might require accommodation, is there a polite way to inquire what I can do to make sure they have whatever they need to take part?

I do not want to ask intrusive or personal questions; however, I think that if I needed accommodations to participate in outdoor activities or weekends away that I might be too shy to ask the host for what I need.

I do not know the person very well, nor am I familiar with the various problem-solving strategies she presumably has for working with her disability; however, she has mentioned in passing that the local university campus is not very accessible, which is what got me thinking. It occurred to me that you would be just the person to ask.

GENTLE READER: Actually, the guest is just the person to ask. Disabilities vary, and no one knows better than the person affected what adjustments can reasonably be done to eliminate barriers.

Miss Manners appreciates your reticence up to a point. Indeed, it is always a good idea to refrain from asking personal questions, and people with disabilities receive more than their share. But it is merely gracious, not nosey, for a host to ask if there is anything she can do to accommodate her guest.

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Woman Wants ‘Title’ Before Reader Is Ready

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | February 13th, 2011

DEAR MISS MANNERS: The young lady I'm dating is upset with me because I won't give her a title. I'm 34, she's 27. We've been seeing each other for two weeks, and we are nowhere near engaged or married. Is there anything I could introduce her as that would pacify her?

GENTLE READER: My New Acquaintance? The Woman of My Dreams as of Last Week?

Miss Manners doesn't know about you, but the lady's request scares her.

You might try the flattering argument that there is no need for a title because even though your relationship has only just begun, you have already taken the trouble to memorize her name.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I am often invited to dinner with a host who is most congenial and proper. At the end of the dinner, he takes his napkin, rolls it up and places it back in the napkin ring. Other guests follow his example.

Somewhere in my training, I was taught to fold the napkin, lay it to the left side and place the napkin ring on top of the napkin so there would be no mistake that it had been used. Would you please tell me what is the proper method?

GENTLE READER: Your host may be congenial, but Miss Manners is afraid that he is proper in this matter only if he has invited the same set of guests to the next day's meals.

Napkin rings are not mere decorations, but a means of identifying who used which napkin to avoid anyone's being stuck at the next meal with someone else's stains. Thus they are associated with family meals -- in families that are fastidious, because they disdain paper napkins, but nevertheless do not employ a full-time laundress -- and intimate houseguests. Those invited for a meal should leave ringless napkins folded by the plate, demonstrating their faith that their host will not pass off their used napkins on the next set of guests.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I will soon be married 49 years but never had an engagement ring, just as I did not have a class ring or any other sort until my wedding day. This was a choice of economy.

I really do not know what to say when a newly engaged lady displays her ring to me. I sincerely hope it is a symbol of a great marriage two people will soon begin and continue as they each vow, "'til death do us part." But I doubt that is what the young woman is hoping to hear.

GENTLE READER: No, she is hoping to hear something more like "What a beautiful ring!" (And it is, Miss Manners can assert without having seen it: All engagement rings, like all brides, are by definition beautiful.)

You can certainly say something about the symbolism, although you know, from your own experience, that a ring is not necessary to form an engagement or sustain a happy marriage. Far too many people regard it for its intrinsic value alone, and it is, alas, not uncommon, for a newly engaged lady to be asked "Is it real?" and "How much did it cost?"

But the way you put it sounds a bit doubtful. "What a lovely symbol of your coming marriage" will do, instead of the hope that they consider it such.

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