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Is Employee’s Formalwear Offending Supervisor?

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | November 4th, 2010

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I work for a financial services company. We are not on Wall Street and don't adhere to the strict dress codes you would expect there; in fact, we have a somewhat casual dress code.

Because I'm in a position where I regularly interact with the CEO (who almost always wears ties and often suits) and other executives, and because I could possibly be in front of the media on any given day, I tend to dress more formally than many people here. I love getting dressed up, enjoy wearing jewelry and usually choose to wear dresses or suits.

On a recent day, when I was wearing a suit jacket, my supervisor commented about my clothes, saying something like, "My, you're awfully dressed up today."

I found his comment to be odd, in part because I was taught not to comment on anyone's clothes unless you're giving a compliment. His comment also prompted me to pause and wonder if I'm dressing up too much and possibly making him uncomfortable. He generally wears what I would call fairly casual clothes, unless he has specific meetings that call for a necktie, etc.

Is it rude of me to dress up in a way that's often more formal than the clothes worn by my boss? Is it simply not the smartest thing to do?

GENTLE READER: It amazes Miss Manners that there is, in general, less tolerance for every day formality than for the lack of it. Gentlemen who show up properly dressed for any but the most casual of occasions are inevitably ordered to remove their ties and jackets.

There is indeed such a thing as overdressing, but that is when one ignores the conventions of the situation: the equivalent of ignoring the conventions by underdressing.

As you have explained, you are dressed to do your job, which requires meeting with formally dressed executives and representing the company to the media. You could explain that to your supervisor, or you could simply say good-naturedly, "This IS my casual look; you should see my dressed-up look."

DEAR MISS MANNERS: When someone does something for me I say "thank you" to them, and I have noted some younger people respond by saying "no problem."

Is the response "no problem" an appropriate response to my "thank you"? I personally find the term "no problem" to be negative and inappropriate.

What is an appropriate response for me when someone responds to my "thank you" with "no problem"?

GENTLE READER: It does not require an answer, but it does require an adjustment.

It is true that the traditional resonse to "thank you" is, in English, "you're welcome." In some languages, it is an equally traditional declaration that there was nothing for which to thank -- a version of "no problem," which slipped into common American discourse a decade or so ago.

Mind you, Miss Manners is not crazy about this sort of messing around with the conventions. Once people stop using polite expressions automatically, they start analyzing them and, often as not, attributing unpleasant motivations. And although "no problem" grates on her as well as you, she knows it is not ill meant.

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Trick-or-Treaters Ghoulishly Rude

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | November 2nd, 2010

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I write to you to ask about the balance between community responsibility for children without visible parents and politeness.

I had large numbers of unaccompanied children to my door for trick or treating. Not one of the unaccompanied children (nor several of those with parents) said thank you in response to my candy.

One even went so far as to declare, upon my opening my door, that I have a "messy house."

These children all live in my apartment complex, where it is safe for them to wander alone, but I'm not sure how to deal with outright insults like the messy house comment, or impoliteness like not saying thank you.

I didn't say anything about the lack of thank you, but I did respond to the mess comment with a rather miffed "excuse me?" and had to resist the urge to take back the candy I had just given the girl who should have been old enough to know better than to make such comments.

In response to my excuse me, Miss Neat Police eventually said "trick or treat," and ended with "Happy Halloween" but not thank you. Please advise me about what to do next year.

GENTLE READER: Maybe go to the movies that night.

You know that Miss Manners sympathizes with you about the need for children to learn manners. She also believes that the community can help.

But not by grabbing them in the middle of a candy frenzy and chastising them. That will only make you known as The Mean Lady in 705.

If you truly want to influence them, you will have to make friends with them. You could invite one or two over for a treat and slip in a few mild directives: "I hope you like the cookies. When people say 'Thank you,' that's how we know it was a good idea to offer them. Or if not, they can say 'No, thank you.' Now tell me more about your game coming up."

No doubt this is more than you bargained for. You wanted to snatch the candy back, or perhaps to snap at the children or their parents that they have no manners.

Aside from being rude, this would be ineffective. So you might want to look at the movie schedule next October.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I just saw a post on my (pregnant) cousin's Facebook page that is beyond an embarrassment. I would love to hear your comments so that I can share with her your thoughts and how unbelievably rude and tacky her post was. Here is what she wrote:

"If you are not able to make it to my baby shower or I wasn't able to invite you because of limited space but you still want to get me a gift, I am registered here, where you can buy online and have it sent by mail!"

GENTLE READER: Nice offer: I've forgotten about you, but you might want to remember me.

That is Miss Manners' thought, but she cautions you that to repeat it for the sake of triumphing over your cousin would be rude.

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Contest Sparks Royal Fight Between Sisters

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | October 31st, 2010

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My immediate family and our extended family members went out to eat after my daughter won second place (princess) in a county fair competition. My sister was going on and on about how she had picked the girl who won the first place (queen) position.

I thought this was terribly rude and insensitive to my daughter. To us, what she was saying was that she agreed with the judges that my daughter didn't perform well enough to get first place.

I determined that my sister had no idea she was being rude and insensitive, so I decided to ask her a question by making an analogy. I asked her, "Would you be saying this if it were your daughter?"

She got quite indignant, turned her back to me and hasn't spoken to me since. She thinks I was being rude by "involving her daughter"! I was simply making an analogy.

My mother thinks my daughter and I are "too sensitive," which to me is her way of justifying my sister's poor manners. In another setting, I'd have no problem with anyone expressing their opinions on the contest, but certainly not in front of my daughter. What do you say?

GENTLE READER: What does your daughter say?

Disputed claims to the throne, family factions breaking out in public, everyone feeling free to air criticism of her -- now she knows what it is like to be a princess.

Miss Manners didn't care for your sister's comment any more than you did, and she also dislikes the "too sensitive" put-down. But her first thought is how unpleasant it must have been for your daughter to have a luncheon that was supposedly in her honor turn into a family scene.

Your desire to defend your daughter is admirable. But it would have been better to have considered the effect on her feelings, not only of your sister's remark, but of your own. It made an issue of what might have simply passed, and it suggested that you were objecting only on the basis of family loyalty and not because your daughter performed so well.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Yesterday I had lunch with 11 other women. We were seated at a large round table. The waiter put a basket of rolls in the middle of the table.

When I wanted to take a roll, I realized that I could not reach it with my hands, nor could the other women. I used a clean fork and was able to "spear" the roll I wanted quickly. One woman looked at me in disgust and said that my "boarding house reach" was "unladylike" and she found my behavior offensive.

I told her to just get over it. Do you think that what I did was a "no-no" and, if so, how should I have handled it?

GENTLE READER: By asking that lady to pass the butter, please.

Yes-yes, it was a no-no. So is dressing down one's luncheon companions and, for that matter, serving bread that out of reach. If no waiter was in sight to put the basket within reach, your asking whether anyone could pass it would probably have inspired someone -- or permitted yourself -- to stand up and take the basket rather than to go roll-fishing.

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