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Temper Tantrums Have No Place on Adult Vacation

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | June 24th, 2008

DEAR MISS MANNERS: When traveling with a friend, how does one settle disputes about what attractions to see?

I've traveled abroad with two friends (different friend each time) and found myself confronted with a tiny temper tantrum when one of them didn't get her way.

In one instance, we'd both been to Paris before; both had been to Monet's garden. I didn't want to return because there were so many other attractions to see that neither of us had been to before. When I declined to take a bateau cruise of the Seine for the second time (the boat's exhaust fumes could be ignored the first time because of the trip's novelty), she replied angrily, "Don't you want to do anything you've done before?" (By the way, we were on a tour with others, so she could have elected to attend with others.)

It's a dilemma. I love travel and prefer travel with a friend. Are there solutions?

GENTLE READER: Not with the friends you seem to have. If there is one item nobody needs on vacation, it is Ms. Tiny Temper Tantrums.

Miss Manners strongly suggests that you do some serious vetting before you sign on another travel companion. Agreeing on the destination and budget is not enough. You have to share the same approach to the everyday mechanics of life on the road.

Someone who insists upon your doing all the same things she does would be a drag even if she didn't turn unpleasant when you declined. And it is only fair to warn anyone who wants inseparable companionship that occasionally you like to wander off on your own.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I have more plastic shopping bags than seems reasonable. I'd very much like to avoid getting many more with each visit to the grocery store, but I always fail. What can I say to the clerks to avoid getting six bags for 20 items? I've tried saying "Please put everything in just a couple of bags, I'll be walking" and they smile, nod, and double bag each of the six bags.

I get glared at if I try to add items to underfilled bags and gently pushed aside if I try to bag on my own. My last option seems to be shrieking and criticizing their every move, but I'd like to avoid deeply irritating people who handle my food. What are the clutter-haunted to do?

GENTLE READER: You do not say whether you have an environmental objection, as well, to all those plastic bags. But, fortunately for you, that is one with which most businesses are now familiar. So Miss Manners suggests that you bring your own bags and ask that they be used.

What she suggests that you stop doing is haranguing people who are trying to do their jobs properly. Presumably they have been given instructions about bagging groceries so that nothing will spill or break, and so that the bags themselves do not leak or break when carried. Requiring them to choose between ignoring employer rules or yours is not going to work to your advantage, as you have discovered.

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Is There a Difference Between Manners and Respect?

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | June 22nd, 2008

DEAR MISS MANNERS: A group of friends and I are having a discussion regarding good manners and respect. My view is that respect comes from understanding and having good manners, whereas it is being put to me that good manners and respect are two distinctly separate things that can be had one without the other. We would be very interested in learning your thoughts on the matter, and I would consider them to be the final word on the subject.

GENTLE READER: Promising Miss Manners that her word will be the final one, even before you have heard it -- now that is respect. She thanks you.

Yet she admits that the term "respect" is rather loosely used in the manners business. This leads to the sort of argument in which a parent says, "You have to show more respect for Granny," and the child replies, "Why, since she just got out of jail for petty larceny?"

The sort of respect to which the parent is referring is a part of good manners. It means exhibiting consideration toward everyone and showing special deference to those who are older or in a position of authority.

But the child hears the word to mean the genuine admiration felt for someone who has proved himself to be worthy of it. That sort of respect is, indeed, a thing apart, which etiquette cannot mandate.

Manners require only that people show respect, although with the secret hope that the outward form will become internalized. What people feel as they size up individuals is up to them.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: When I express condolences to a friend or acquaintance over the death of an elderly parent, it frequently elicits a comment that I don't know how to respond to.

My parents died in a car accident when I was in my teens, so my sincere expression of sympathy is often countered with different versions of "Of course, my loss is nothing compared to yours." This is followed by a reiteration of the circumstances of my parents' death and the inference that I couldn't possibly relate to their devastation over the loss of a parent who has lived to see their grandchildren grow up.

This creates an awkward situation and makes me feel that I have to justify their feelings with, "Any loss is difficult, no matter when it occurs," which doesn't seem to satisfy their need to make me relive my childhood tragedy. Any advice on how to handle or short circuit a conversation that is occurring more often, now that people in my circle are of the age when their parents are dying from natural causes.

GENTLE READER: You are quite right, not only that comparisons should not be made, but also that your only hope of stopping them is to get out of that conversation, fast.

Miss Manners reminds you that you are talking to people who have just suffered a loss. After acknowledging that it is hard to lose a parent under any circumstances, you should rush into returning the focus on their loss. "Tell me more about your mother; I wish I'd known her better" or "I remember your telling me a delightful story about your father..." is the sort of remark to get them going.

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Delayed Wedding, but the Marriage Is Now

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | June 19th, 2008

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My boyfriend and I need to get legally married now for immigration purposes in order to stay in the same country after I graduate medical school. We cannot afford a wedding right now, and the timing is bad because of an intense medical school schedule.

For the two of us, this civil marriage feels like our engagement. We would also like our family and friends to think our wedding is meaningful when we do have the "real" ceremony in a year or so.

However, we didn't want to keep such a serious decision from our parents, who are traditional and upset about this split set-up.

What should we tell friends who kindly inquire about our future plans and engagement status? What should we ask our parents to say when faced with the same questions? I dislike lying, but I also feel that this is private information.

GENTLE READER: We can only hope that your reluctance to face the facts and your conviction that you can manipulate reality and suppress inconvenient information will not carry over to your medical career.

Miss Manners is aware that many couples have now separated getting married from what they are pleased to call "having a wedding." They throw the party at another time, which would be fine in itself, but they include a fake ceremony, as if that made it as important an occasion as the real thing.

That Miss Manners is not the only person who considers this fraudulent is evident from your realization that your guests will not find the rerun as meaningful as actually witnessing your marriage. And you cannot make your legal marriage into an engagement by declaring it so.

Rather than tangle yourself further in this deception, Miss Manners recommends admitting that you are married but that you will be inviting them to a delayed celebration later. If you must, you can add, "and we'll be re-enacting the ceremony then."

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My husband and I have an ongoing debate that perhaps you can clear up. He says inviting someone out for dinner, lunch, ice cream, etc., means we are obligated to pay for their meal. I say this isn't nececesarily so. What is the proper etiquette regarding this issue?

GENTLE READER: Your husband is correct. When you invite someone out for dinner, you pay. When you agree to meet people for dinner, people pay for themselves. Miss Manners warns you that careless verbs will cost you.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My husband died this year. Is it appropriate for me to return the gifts given to him over the years by good friends?

GENTLE READER: Please do not do that. Miss Manners knows that you mean well, but to return a present is an insult, and your doing so would be interpreted as breaking off your tie to the donors now that your husband is not there. Giving each of his close friend a photograph or other memento would, however, have an opposite and gracious effect.

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