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Thong Ban Leaves Teen Out of the Fashion Loop

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | June 2nd, 2008

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I am an average 14-year-old girl who has a problem. My mom won't let me wear thong underwear, and it is the kind I want to wear. My friends make fun of me for not wearing that type. I was wondering if you could help me convince my mom and tell her it is all right to wear them.

GENTLE READER: Of all the advice columnists in the world, you chose Miss Manners as the most likely one to support the cause of thong underwear? And you wonder why your mother questions your judgment?

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Two important figures in my life have been absent from my very important events. The first being my wedding and the second being my baby shower.

These are lifelong friends of my mother, one of them my baptized godmother. When I married my husband, over a year ago, I moved about an hour away from my hometown due to his occupation as a police officer. Both of our families live an hour away in different cities. As a compromise, we had the ceremony and reception in our new city.

We thought some might be opposed to the drive, but to our great joy, almost everyone came to celebrate with us -- minus my godmother and other family friend. Their excuse was it was too far for us to expect them to drive, and they were going out to a pub that night.

Now I am pregnant, and we are having an open-house baby shower for women and men, again in our new city. Again, the pair has said they will not drive that far, and I have had "too many events going on to expect them to come to every little one."

I know I am hormonal, but I have cried over this many times. These women were strong figures in my life before I met my husband. My mother has battled lifelong illness, and her friends were often motherly figures to me when I needed them. My feelings have been sincerely hurt by their absence.

Should I just forget them and move on? Or should I confront it? I have considered writing letters to them, telling them how I feel, but have no idea how to even start.

GENTLE READER: The pub excuse was crude, and Miss Manners can understand why you are hurt. But she also has a glimmer of understanding about what is likely to be bothering them.

Having been strong mother figures to you, they may feel that your wish to trot them out only for special events is an empty formality. Before you were married, did you ask them, as treasured friends, to meet your husband-to-be? Do you keep in touch with them and show ongoing concern about their welfare?

If you want to maintain a relationship, you must treat them as more than part of the party crowd. Miss Manners suggests starting by personally announcing the birth of your baby with the plea that you want your family to know them. If they do not want to drive, promise that when you are able, you would like to bring your husband and child to pay calls on them -- in their city and, if necessary, in their pub.

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Eating 101: Learn to Use a Knife

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | May 29th, 2008

DEAR MISS MANNERS: I have noticed that many bright, educated people use a knife only to cut their food and use their fingers to nudge food onto their fork. They do it during the entire meal, not only to finish the last morsel on their plate. Is that ever proper? I realize that there are more important things to be concerned about, but it has been a concern of mine for a while.

GENTLE READER: What has puzzled Miss Manners for a good while is why anyone is astonished when bright, educated people don't eat properly. Have you never been in a college dining hall?

DEAR MISS MANNERS: In the family in which I was raised (my grandparents were immigrants to the United States), we were taught that it is impolite to speak in a foreign language in the presence of nonspeakers who are unable to understand what you are saying.

In recent years, it has become commonplace for sales clerks, wait staff, bank tellers and other employees in service industries to converse in foreign languages in the presence of customers and other employees who do not understand what is being said. Similarly, one often hears customers speaking in foreign languages in front of sales clerks or other workers who are nonspeakers, as well as friends holding conversations with one another or family members in a foreign language in front of other nonspeakers.

Is my understanding of this rule of etiquette incorrect? Would you please be so kind as to suggest a polite response that one could make when bewildered by, and left out of, a conversation in a foreign language taking place in one's presence?

GENTLE READER: The etiquette in this situation should not be foreign to anyone. Pointedly excluding someone who belongs in the conversation has always been recognized as rude, and so has pointedly intruding into conversations in which one doesn't belong. These are more commonly known as snubbing and nosiness.

So Miss Manners agrees that relatives or friends should avoid speaking a foreign language in front of nonspeakers if they can, and if they cannot, they should at least apologize and get someone to translate what they are saying. The recourse for someone who is left out is to say pleasantly, "I'm sorry, I don't understand, and I would very much like to. Could someone help me, please?" (And if she is a new daughter-in-law, against whom this technique is not uncommon, she should take secret language lessons and suddenly shock them into worrying what they might have been saying that she had quietly understood.)

But you are lumping this sort of thing with nonsocial situations among people who seem to be minding their own business. What difference is it what language they are speaking when they are not addressing you?

DEAR MISS MANNERS: When you receive an invitation to an adult birthday party, should you RSVP if you cannot attend?

GENTLE READER: Or leave the hosts wondering if you received the invitation, dismissed it as unworthy of attention, or plan to drop by with six of your own friends?

"Rsvp" is a French abbreviation for "Respond, please." And never mind that the French always say "if you please" -- Miss Manners assures you that the "if" does not make it optional.

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Etiquette Advice for the ‘Common’ Person

Miss Manners by by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
by Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin
Miss Manners | May 27th, 2008

DEAR MISS MANNERS: Please answer a question from a poor "common person" who has been forced to learn manners the hard way.

Is there a rule for the following situation? When someone of higher status (doctor, lawyer, clergy) approaches or passes by in a public setting, must the "commoner" wait to be addressed first before speaking to the more socially prominent or professionally superior acquaintance?

GENTLE READER: You don't say where you live, but you might consider emigrating to a society that has heard of the 18th-century Enlightenment.

In America, for example, we do not have commoners or social superiors. Doctors, lawyers and members of the clergy are considered as good as anyone else, whereas in aristocratic societies, they were treated as high-level servants of the upper class.

Our idea is to show respect for all -- far too often interpreted, Miss Manners acknowledges, as showing respect for none. So she does not mean to discourage you from being careful about how you treat others.

And, in fact, we do have some systems of precedence, although nothing as rough as the system of commoners and superiors that you imagine. In the social realm, youth is supposed to give precedence to age, and gentlemen to ladies. In the working world, age and gender are not factors, but rank is -- the boss and other supervisors have precedence. The assumption is that the levels are temporary -- everyone grows older, many people rise in their work and even gender seems to be negotiable, Miss Manners has heard.

But the rule of not speaking until you are spoken to is not one of our conventions. Even the queen of England, who is not supposed to be addressed by others in that class-stratified society, has learned not to snub well-meaning greetings when she is in America.

DEAR MISS MANNERS: My husband and I have two daughters, ages 3 and 6, that we adopted from China when they were babies. Many times when we are in public, absolute strangers will come up to our family and ask within our children's hearing if they are "real" sisters.

If I say, "yes," they continue to press me about if they are biologically related. As far as we know, our daughters are not biologically related. However, we don't feel that we owe strangers explanations about our personal family business.

Could you please offer some suggestions on how to answer this "invasive" question? We want to set a good example for our children, and we don't want to be rude, but it is getting tiresome.

GENTLE READER: Since you know from the wording of the first question that the second one is coming, Miss Manners advises nipping this conversation early. She suggests saying gently, "Yes, they are sisters, and I am their mother. But I have been teaching them not to talk to strangers, so I'm afraid that you will have to excuse me, please."

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